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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There you have it, folks -- the world is held together by the glue of American military intervention!
    How did things work out when there was no American intervention?

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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What are you saying. WWII not only helped the US economy, it also destroyed most European powers, enabled the United States to rebuild Germany and Japan as democracies dependent on the US and left the United States and Soviet Union to compete for the top spot, which the United States won. The US benefited a lot from WWII, it took the world from multi-polarity to bipolarity and finally unipolarity. Study history and use logic for once.
    WW2 didn't help the American economy.

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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    WW2 didn't help the American economy.
    C'mon, man you don't really mean that. Seriously? World War II was basically a huge wartime stimulus, and a hell of a lot more effective than FDR's New Deal even.
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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    No one has proposed isolationism.
    He's clearly lying or completely ignorant of the term.
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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually, isolationism led to a lot of good to the United States. Prior to WWI and WWII, the United States was pretty isolationist and then we only got involved in both wars at the very end and watched everyone else destroy each other. Then we were left to contain a single power and now the US is the most powerful country in the world.
    You only became the most powerful country because you had your industrial base intact after the two wars.... and you used that to "influence" all other countries with your products.
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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    WW2 didn't help the American economy.
    LOL you need to get your college money back then.
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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You only became the most powerful country because you had your industrial base intact after the two wars.... and you used that to "influence" all other countries with your products.
    There are a lot of reasons we became the most powerful country. Staying out of other people's politics for such a long time was one of them.

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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How did things work out when there was no American intervention?
    It's kind of hard to make that estimation, since it's been so long since we stayed out of someone else's business -- except for Africa, we've stayed out of there for the most part.

    There are also examples of interventions in the past that flowered into the problems of today.

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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    C'mon, man you don't really mean that. Seriously? World War II was basically a huge wartime stimulus, and a hell of a lot more effective than FDR's New Deal even.
    Almost everything was better than FDR's New Deal. FDR's New Deal was the some of the first steps in the entitlement society America has become.
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    Re: McCain slams GOP hopefuls' 'isolationism'

    There is a difference between isolation and nonintervention. Cold War relic Buchanan wants to lock all the doors and pretend the rest of the world doesnt exist. Dr. Paul wants to be to trade with other nations but not get militarily involved in other nations' problems.
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