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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    I just watched the first video because I'm in a hotel and the connection is so slow. But the video is completely off base.

    First, Cain isn't talking about a religious test (though he is in the wrong). He is talking about a test of loyalty for those of a specific religion. There is a difference. What the Constitution says is that you shouldn't have to take a test to prove you are Catholic to be in the government. Cain is suggesting that all Muslims should prove they won't bomb the country before they serve in the government. Cain is wrong in that we should discriminate against Muslims. If there is a legitimate concern that a terrorist will make it into a position of strength in the government, then all people should be administered the same test....whatever that may be.

    Second, they took Can's speech way out of context. I watched it live on the internet, it is from his announcement speech. He was talking about the founding documents, the Constitutiona and the Decleration of Independence and he was jumping between the two. They cut and paste that to appear to be what it was not.

    That was a very weak video. The only one the video got right was Boehner total f'up in his speech.
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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, he's right and you can't stand it.
    Right about what?
    And why wouldnt I be able to stand it? LOL
    Youre pretty presumptuous aren't you. Do you just make this up as you go?

    Didnt say I dont like any of those guys I listen daily, didnt say I dont like him, he'll just never be president, nor should he be.

    As a shock jock he is great! as a politician he would be everything that is wrong with politics unless of course he would be 180 degrees different which so far hasnt been the case..
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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    First, Cain isn't talking about a religious test (though he is in the wrong). He is talking about a test of loyalty for those of a specific religion. There is a difference. What the Constitution says is that you shouldn't have to take a test to prove you are Catholic to be in the government. Cain is suggesting that all Muslims should prove they won't bomb the country before they serve in the government. Cain is wrong in that we should discriminate against Muslims. If there is a legitimate concern that a terrorist will make it into a position of strength in the government, then all people should be administered the same test....whatever that may be.
    How in the heck are you going to get someone prove they won't bomb the country? Well, I guess we all know a terrorist will bomb and kill innocents but never, never lie.
    Cain is beginning to sound like a male Sara Palin.

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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Conservatives aren't racists, like Liberals are. We actually appreciate a minority person who thinks for himself and doesn't blindly follow the party line.
    Are you insinuating that the only blacks who think for themselves are black conservatives?
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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Are you insinuating that the only blacks who think for themselves are black conservatives?
    Not at all. What I am saying, is that all black Conservatives think for themselves. Blacks who are openly Conservative have to contend with being called race traitors and Uncle Toms and racists. They decide to be Conservative, despite those things, which makes it obvious that they are making a concious decison, on their own, to be Conservatives.

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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not at all. What I am saying, is that all black Conservatives think for themselves. Blacks who are openly Conservative have to contend with being called race traitors and Uncle Toms and racists. They decide to be Conservative, despite those things, which makes it obvious that they are making a concious decison, on their own, to be Conservatives.
    Then you are saying that a black person can't decide for him or herself to affiliate with another political party because they believe no other political group fits his/her political or moral beliefs. That's total BS, apdst.

    I'm no more a Moderal-Liberal because I expect a government handout anymore than I would be a Conservative because I expect to receive substaintial tax breaks. I affiliate with a specific political party because their belief system fits into my social and moral views, not because I've been brainwashed one way or another. I suspect that's how most people associate themselves with any political party....until you actually get into Congress that is.

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    Re: Herman Cain mistake on the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then you are saying that a black person can't decide for him or herself to affiliate with another political party because they believe no other political group fits his/her political or moral beliefs. That's total BS, apdst.

    I'm no more a Moderal-Liberal because I expect a government handout anymore than I would be a Conservative because I expect to receive substaintial tax breaks. I affiliate with a specific political party because their belief system fits into my social and moral views, not because I've been brainwashed one way or another. I suspect that's how most people associate themselves with any political party....until you actually get into Congress that is.
    Well ain't that just peachy. Its also not relevent. Without a doubt, the most unanimous ethnic voting block of any consequence in the USA are blacks voting Democrat. Almost always averaging over 90%. What is so different about their "social and moral views" (your words, and which you "suspect that's how most people associate themselves" ....) that causes blacks to vote many times more lock-step than any other ethnic group ?

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