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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yeah attack me. That is exactly what I would expect the OP of a retarded thread like this one to do.
    Retarded thread? How so? You support the government taking money and handing it out where they see fit? I don't. I think it's better private enterprise does this type of "work"... or let our socialist pals in the EU get apes stoned.

    Taking a drug addict, treating them, and making them into a working, productive, tax paying citizen instead of a prisoner that tax payers have to shell out tens of thousands each year to pay for, is in the government interest.
    Perhaps letting people know that falling into this hole will require your family and friends to haul you out, instead of government would be better for more people and society on the whole, instead of glorifying the idiocy and having government spend our money on the problem? It's a problem created by private individuals and they can get assistance from private companies, family, friends, or charities.

    Private companies with an interest are the ones to fund the research in the OP, not government.

    Your ****ing sense of moral superiority apparently got in the way of your common ****ing sense. I gravely dislike people like you who read only sources that report things the way you want to hear them instead of the way they are.
    You failed epically on that one. I read a from a huge variety of sources. Further... If I am so narrow, I sure as the hell wouldn't waste my time here... would I?

    Now why don't you go gallop off and have one of your shepherds tell you what to think and say?
    ROTFLMFAO... I guess dinner won't taste too good tonight.

    You're a different Libertarian from von Mises, Hayek and Friedman... or did you hit the wrong button... meaning to hit Liberal? Me thinks you hit the wrong button.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Retarded thread? How so? You support the government taking money and handing it out where they see fit? I don't. I think it's better private enterprise does this type of "work"... or let our socialist pals in the EU get apes stoned.
    Who do you think pays the private agency to do this kind of work? Whether the government does it or a private agency does it, it is still paid for by the tax payers and ultimately regulated by the state. Ideologues like you really amaze me. If you can't label something and pigeonhole it in a box then it offends you.

    The equivalent cost to this entire experiment is imprisoning 15 people for 10 years. If just 15 people benefited from this research and avoided going to prison for 10 years on drug charges, then these studies would have paid for themselves. Your notion that the government shouldn't do any research is ridiculous. People who believe in the free market also understand the concept of "public goods". You should look into it.

    Of course, I won't take any political advice from someone who shows so little basic economic education as yourself.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Who do you think pays the private agency to do this kind of work? Whether the government does it or a private agency does it, it is still paid for by the tax payers and ultimately regulated by the state. Ideologues like you really amaze me. If you can't label something and pigeonhole it in a box then it offends you.

    The equivalent cost to this entire experiment is imprisoning 15 people for 10 years. If just 15 people benefited from this research and avoided going to prison for 10 years on drug charges, then these studies would have paid for themselves. Your notion that the government shouldn't do any research is ridiculous. People who believe in the free market also understand the concept of "public goods". You should look into it.

    Of course, I won't take any political advice from someone who shows so little basic economic education as yourself.
    You wouldn't take political advise from an economist? Would you take economic advise from a politician?


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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    You wouldn't take political advise from an economist? Would you take economic advise from a politician?


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    An economist? Are you serious? That is sad.

    I would not suspect these kinds of threads to come from an educated individual. Of course I have had my occasional heat of the moment thread, so maybe I'm wrong to judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Who do you think pays the private agency to do this kind of work? Whether the government does it or a private agency does it, it is still paid for by the tax payers and ultimately regulated by the state.
    The vast majority of funding is through private enterprise.

    I don't see where in the Constitution the Feds are given this power. If states want to do it, fine.

    Ideologues like you really amaze me. If you can't label something and pigeonhole it in a box then it offends you.
    My ideology is a simple one. Where is it in the Constitution? Where? It's ideologies like yours, people who ignore the contract between the government and its citizens that has gotten us into this mess. Private business is fully capable of funding dope smoking, menstruating monkey research if they so choose. We shouldn't have to pay for it.

    The equivalent cost to this entire experiment is imprisoning 15 people for 10 years. If just 15 people benefited from this research and avoided going to prison for 10 years on drug charges, then these studies would have paid for themselves. Your notion that the government shouldn't do any research is ridiculous. People who believe in the free market also understand the concept of "public goods". You should look into it.
    Oh... I understand "public good". Everyone can expand on it as they like. That is how we have 14 TRILLION in debt and $500,000+ in unfunded liabilities PER PERSON. Perhaps YOU should look into it.

    You see, we had a country that once believed in limited government. Now we're a country where too many think the taxpayer's money is a big honey pot where we can piss it away on Chinese Whores, paying postal workers not to work, and dope smoking menstruating monkeys.

    Of course, I won't take any political advice from someone who shows so little basic economic education as yourself.
    Of course you won't. You're too thick to look at the Constitution, our history and figure out what the hell went wrong. You really should change your political lean... to Liberal.

    ... and the biggest laugh is your handle... "Critical-Thought"... ROTFLOL... not.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    It costs us hundreds of millions of dollars every year to incarcerate drug addicts and they are pissed about $360,000 a year spent on studies trying to find better treatments that likely would bring down that cost. I can't even voice how utterly idiotic this thread is.
    Drug addiction is a public health issue, not a domestic or legal issue by any stretch of the imagination.

    A better approach to this problem is to not incarcerate drug addicts at all, because obviously incarcerating drug addicts is helping with this issue.

    You sir, are the idiot.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Drug addiction is a public health issue, not a domestic or legal issue by any stretch of the imagination.

    A better approach to this problem is to not incarcerate drug addicts at all, because obviously incarcerating drug addicts is helping with this issue.

    You sir, are the idiot.
    This is one issue I struggle with as a Conservative (though in political lean tests I come out as a Friedman styled Libertarian), and keep batting around in my brain. I believe we need laws to have a civil society, but I also believe we as free people have the right to do whatever good or damage to ourselves as we see fit. For it is a truly slippery slope as we've noticed. More and more of our rights are being usurped in the name of protecting ourselves from ourselves. Then comes the government spending money trying to assist us. Ain't their job, ain't their purview. I want these busy bodies to leave us the **** alone... get out of the way, get out of our lives. We can and have proven we can take care of one another without government intrusion and the high costs it brings financially and for our liberty.

    von Mises said it well:
    Whoever is convinced that indulgence or excessive indulgence in these poisons is pernicious is not hindered from living abstemiously or temperately. This question cannot be treated exclusively in reference to alcoholism, morphinism, cocainism, etc., which all reasonable men acknowledge to be evils. For if the majority of citizens is, in principle, conceded the right to impose its way of life upon a minority, it is impossible to stop at prohibitions against indulgence in alcohol, morphine, cocaine, and similar poisons. Why should not what is valid for these poisons be valid also for nicotine, caffein, and the like? Why should not the state generally prescribe which foods may be indulged in and which must be avoided because they are injurious?
    Ludwig von Mises on the Drug War, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty


    As soon as we surrender the principle that the state should not interfere in any questions touching on the individuals mode of life, we end by regulating and restricting the latter down to the smallest details.
    http://mises.org/books/liberalism.pdf
    And that, in bold, is where we are today.
    Last edited by zimmer; 06-13-11 at 03:36 AM.
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