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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do they really need 3.6 million to know that using PCP, methamphetamine (METH), heroin, and cocaine has effect on your behavior and body?
    I wonder if they'd pay me a few million for my study idea... 'The effects of complete oxygen deprivation on the liberal population'.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    As for 'evaluate behavioral and pharmacological treatment interventions'... just because the physiological responses are 'similar' to humans, doesn't mean the treatments would ahve a similar effect, or that the psychological components would have a similar effect on humans either.
    While it isn't necessarily so that the results of treatment techniques would have similar results, the model of using monkeys and primates to find out things about behavior that can be applied to humans isn't fundamentally flawed. This is not the first study of monkeys for research that was intended to shed light on human behavior.
    This method of study can be applied in flawed ways, though. And one does have to careful about what conclusions are being drawn and how far the conclusions can be applied to humans.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    While it isn't necessarily so that the results of treatment techniques would have similar results, the model of using monkeys and primates to find out things about behavior that can be applied to humans isn't fundamentally flawed. This is not the first study of monkeys for research that was intended to shed light on human behavior.
    This method of study can be applied in flawed ways, though. And one does have to careful about what conclusions are being drawn and how far the conclusions can be applied to humans.
    I do not completely disagree with those statements.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    “My research is directed toward developing behavioral and pharmacological methods of reducing and preventing drug abuse,” she says. “Animals are trained to self-administer drugs that humans abuse, and several phases of the addiction process are modeled, such as acquisition, maintenance, withdrawal, craving, and relapse.”
    I don't see what the big fuss is.

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Since it was about finding about what is a vulnerability to drug addiction and what techniques are useful to diminish drug addiction behaviors, I don't think that following the Dead would have really been an option. Also, the Dead are more since Jerry left us.

    Further, I am not sure that finding out the information about drug addiction is of no value.
    Let private companies that want to get into the business do it. As with the food pyramid, or Michelle's latest DC Dearest concoction, it's not the job of government and it is a waste of our tax dollars. Nor is it our job to fund training of Chinese whores how to manage their liquor.

    You know, I wouldn't mind 3.6 million to study the habits of DP Leftists and their addiction to a failed ideology. I think that would have greater value to society. Think I'll get the grant money?

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Seriously? You guys are pissed about $360,000 a year spent on drug research?
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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Every post a facepalm...

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Every post a facepalm...
    It costs us hundreds of millions of dollars every year to incarcerate drug addicts and they are pissed about $360,000 a year spent on studies trying to find better treatments that likely would bring down that cost. I can't even voice how utterly idiotic this thread is.
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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Seriously? You guys are pissed about $360,000 a year spent on drug research?
    It is not government's job to do this. Period. Seriously.

    Capiche?

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    Re: Dope-Smoking, Menstruating Monkey Study Got $3.6 Million in Tax Dollars

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    All they had to do was go to a few Grateful Dead concerts instead of wasting our cash on this monkey business.

    If private companies want to do this and get the OK, fine with me, but not with our cash.

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    They're most likely looking at short term and long term effects of various drug use. We do need to cut back on unnecessary spending, but hit pieces like this I rarely listen to because people put up a dollar amount and never actually go into the research being done. If you want to evaluate whether or not it is valid research, you have to have more than a little hit piece. And if we're bitching about government spending, ending our aggressive, interventionist wars will save a hell of a lot more than cutting out science research will ever do.
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