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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    It would help if we could shut down a war or two.
    Iraq is ending at the end of the year totally, and Libya isn't costing anywhere near as much as Iraq/Afghanistan are. Libya will probably end within the next month or two since they are now directly targeting Quadaffi. Afghanistan will probably come to a close much earlier than previously agreed too.

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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

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    It would help if we could shut down a war or two.
    My vote is for Libya, the one term president Obama's war.

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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

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    My vote is for Libya, the one term president Obama's war.
    I could go along with a war and a half,Libya being the half.
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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Honestly everyone should face the same tax burden. That's why progressive tax rate is effective and fair. Unless someone is really really dirt poor, as in can't afford food, shelter, and clothing, they should be paying taxes at the same burden as someone earning 40 million a year. And don't tell me that 47% of Americans not paying taxes and the corporations who paid NO taxes are dirt poor.
    why? the richest one percent pay 40% of the federal income tax burden. they also pay almost all the death taxes. They pay substantial portions of gasoline taxes, and Robinson-Pittman excise taxes. Do they use anywhere near 40% of the services the Federal income tax funds or all of the stuff the death tax funds?

    I agree everyone should face the same tax burden since everyone has the same government enforced rights. that means everyone pays the same AMOUNT of taxes.

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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why? the richest one percent pay 40% of the federal income tax burden. they also pay almost all the death taxes. They pay substantial portions of gasoline taxes, and Robinson-Pittman excise taxes. Do they use anywhere near 40% of the services the Federal income tax funds or all of the stuff the death tax funds?

    I agree everyone should face the same tax burden since everyone has the same government enforced rights. that means everyone pays the same AMOUNT of taxes.
    The same amount, as in take 8,000 from someone earning 40 mil, and take 8,000 from someone earning 20k? Bull****. A progressive system is fair and allows all people to be burdened the same.

    Everyone uses the services the government provides. Everyone uses federal highways, everyone is protected by the military, everyone has social security, everyone has medicare, everyone is affected by the gov investing in science and technology, etc.
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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    The same amount, as in take 8,000 from someone earning 40 mil, and take 8,000 from someone earning 20k? Bull****.
    If they get the same benefit why not pay the same amount?

    where is it written that because some one works harder or smarter they should have to pay more for the same thing?

    what is BS is punishing success and rewarding sloth and failure

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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If they get the same benefit why not pay the same amount?

    where is it written that because some one works harder or smarter they should have to pay more for the same thing?

    what is BS is punishing success and rewarding sloth and failure
    No because it's not the same benefit. You are DESTROYING someone making 20k a year by taking 8k from them, and you are doing absolutely NOTHING to someone making 20 million a year by taking 8k from them. What does where it is written matter? And they are not paying more. They are simply paying the same thing and having the same burden. We've gone over this already in other topics.

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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    No because it's not the same benefit. You are DESTROYING someone making 20k a year by taking 8k from them, and you are doing absolutely NOTHING to someone making 20 million a year by taking 8k from them. What does where it is written matter? And they are not paying more. They are simply paying the same thing and having the same burden. We've gone over this already in other topics.
    I call bs on that

    everyone gets essentially the same government benefits.

    why should someone pay more because they work harder and smarter?

    does the McDonald's charge me more than you for a burger

    does the car dealer have a price schedule based on your income?

    does the local bowling alley charge a millionaire 5 bucks a game but 2 dollars for a middle class person and 50C for a guy making minimum wage?

    if someone making 20K a year cannot pay 8K a year in taxes maybe he will stop engaging in activities or voting for politicians who drive up the costs.

    bottom line, the only reason why we have a progressive tax is because those who pay artificially low taxes can out vote those of us who pay artificially high taxes.

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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    THey are not paying more for working harder and smarter. You are not understanding. You are paying the same thing, and getting hurt in the same manner. I don't agree with tax hikes for the rich at all. I don't agree with solving our problems by raising the taxes on the rich to 50% and saying bye bye. THat wouldn't be fair.

    It's not about actual monetary value of the taxes, it's about your burden. Taking 10% from someone earning 25k a year is hurting them in the same manner as taking 28% from someone like me earning 205 a year as a family.
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    Re: House Dems to call for expiration of Bush tax rates in debt-limit deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    THey are not paying more for working harder and smarter. You are not understanding. You are paying the same thing, and getting hurt in the same manner. I don't agree with tax hikes for the rich at all. I don't agree with solving our problems by raising the taxes on the rich to 50% and saying bye bye. THat wouldn't be fair.

    It's not about actual monetary value of the taxes, it's about your burden. Taking 10% from someone earning 25k a year is hurting them in the same manner as taking 28% from someone like me earning 205 a year as a family.
    Here is the problem

    there are three issues

    1) what you get

    2) what you pay

    3) what the effect of doing 2 has upon you

    the poor get the same

    if they pay the same amount then they are no different from the rich

    but yes it has more of an effect on them

    but that DOES NOT change the fact that 1) they got the same benefits

    its the same with any other service

    I buy a car, a pauper buys the same car

    we get the same value

    we each pay 29,000 dollars. that might require him to take out a loan and forego eating steak for 3 years. Me, its less than I make in a month (far less).

    so #3 is different. but you cannot deny we got the same value for the same amount of money

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