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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The republicans claim, and I would tend to believe them, that they are just doing it in order to delay the vote.

    By causing a primary, they are buying themselves some time to campaign, since they are currently stuck at the capitol and can't campaign in their districts.
    Seems counterproductive to do something like this if you're trying to win reelection. People are going to take it as a slap in the face that you "attacked unions" and then spent state money on a farce just so you can go shake a few hands and kiss a few babies.
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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Seems counterproductive to do something like this if you're trying to win reelection. People are going to take it as a slap in the face that you "attacked unions" and then spent state money on a farce just so you can go shake a few hands and kiss a few babies.
    I personally see no issue with it, but it could potentially cause a backlash. It would seem rather unfair to have an election in which one side can't campaign at all because they're stuck back at the capitol doing the state's business.

    From what I understand, the cost will be $500k. I guess it's up to the individual to determine if that's a lot or not.
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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    I also questioned the assertion that Jack Davis was a "fake" Tea Party candidate. If you ask me, the Republicans have completely hijacked the Tea Party movement.
    There is quite a bit of mixed up assumptions within this statement. Davis ran as a Democrat on 2 separate occasions for the exact same seat. He was actively recruited by Democrats to run as a "tea party" candidate.

    Most of the ideas and concepts within the tea party are libertarian and conservative in nature, their ideology doesnt match well with current Democrat thinking.

    Lastly, the GOP has not hijacked the Tea Party, the Tea Party is in the process of hijacking the GOP. The GOP establishment is just as threatened by various endorsed Tea Party candidates as the Democrats are. The Tea Party is holding the GOP accountable more than any other group through serious primary competition.

    As to the rest, its not illegal but its damn sure unethical.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    There is quite a bit of mixed up assumptions within this statement. Davis ran as a Democrat on 2 separate occasions for the exact same seat. He was actively recruited by Democrats to run as a "tea party" candidate.

    Most of the ideas and concepts within the tea party are libertarian and conservative in nature, their ideology doesnt match well with current Democrat thinking.
    Davis wasn't allowed to run as a Republican because the incumbent was a Republican. He was also pro-choice and against the war in Iraq, neither position endeared him to the Republicans of the time. Other than those positions, he was not a Democrat. The Democrats let him run on their ticket because he was willing to do so on his own dime, and nobody that actually was a Democrat was excited about being the sacrifice in a gerrymandered district that stretched halfway across New York State. The Tea Party also did not exist then for him to run on their ticket.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Davis wasn't allowed to run as a Republican because the incumbent was a Republican. He was also pro-choice and against the war in Iraq, neither position endeared him to the Republicans of the time. Other than those positions, he was not a Democrat. The Democrats let him run on their ticket because he was willing to do so on his own dime, and nobody that actually was a Democrat was excited about being the sacrifice in a gerrymandered district that stretched halfway across New York State. The Tea Party also did not exist then for him to run on their ticket.
    Hes a one issue candidate--free trade. GOP doesnt like him, Tea Party doesnt like him, he should run as an independent and quit trying to claim hes something hes not.

    Jack Davis, Self-Proclaimed Tea Party Candidate, Backed Obama in 2008 - By Jim Geraghty - The Campaign Spot - National Review Online
    Republican, tea party movement figures attack Davis - Politics - The Buffalo News
    Tea Party Express Calls Jack Davis a Fraud : Roll Call Politics

    He gave Hochul the race more or less. Oh, yeah he took campaign contributions from Obama and Rangel. Still think hes got any serious links to the GOP? Geesh.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Davis wasn't allowed to run as a Republican because the incumbent was a Republican. He was also pro-choice and against the war in Iraq, neither position endeared him to the Republicans of the time. Other than those positions, he was not a Democrat. The Democrats let him run on their ticket because he was willing to do so on his own dime, and nobody that actually was a Democrat was excited about being the sacrifice in a gerrymandered district that stretched halfway across New York State. The Tea Party also did not exist then for him to run on their ticket.
    What mechanism did the Republican party supposedly use to prevent him from running? Of course every state is different, but all states I am familiar with do not afford parties that power. Anyone who is eligible for the office is allowed to sign up for the party primary so long as they meet legal requirements. The party has no power to prevent that. This is why David Duke, who was OPPOSED by the Republican establishment, was able to run and win primaries in Louisiana.
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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Unions now encouraging the democrats to run fake republicans in the republican primary.

    Democrats may join GOP in fielding 'fake' candidates in recalls - JSOnline

    I still don't see an issue with it. However, I guess the union supporters that thought it was just terrible when the republicans were doing this will now think the unions are a bunch of a-holes for engaging in the same behaviour, regardless the justification provided.
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    Re: Wisconsin GOP Will Run Fake Democrats to Buy Time

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Davis wasn't allowed to run as a Republican because the incumbent was a Republican. He was also pro-choice and against the war in Iraq, neither position endeared him to the Republicans of the time. Other than those positions, he was not a Democrat.
    other than the fact that he was also against free trade.

    SO: of the three famous "legs of the stool" of modern conservatism: economic libertarianism, social conservatism, and foreign policy hawkishness - Davis was against all three.

    the man was a Democrat. and it was wrong of him to run as a fake tea party candidate just as it is wrong of any republicans to run as fake democrats.

    and he didn't "run on the Tea Party Ticket" - all the tea party organizations in that area said that they'd never heard of him, never seen him, and didn't endorse him.

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