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Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

VanceMack said:
I agree with most of your statement and if I lived in a state where civil unions were passed as a law I am reasonably sure that the sun would still come up tomorrow and the earth wouldnt split and life would go on. I simply find it beyond hypocritical that people express this mindless rabid concern over the religous preferences of one party while completely ignoring the other. Its as if people dont even IMAGINE that say, the Blue Dog Democrats from the south might have strong religious beliefs similar to many (and not all) republicans. 'Religion' is the last on my list of qualifications for government office.
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I think people pay attention to the religious preferences of the Republican Party because Republican social conservatives are louder than Democrat social conservatives and are also more influential in their party.
 
rocket88 said:
Romney's faith = not an issue.

Obama's faith = BIG HONKING ISSUE.

Okay....

How about if I discount Romney because he Governed from a pro-choice perspective, but is now passing himself off as pro-life? What if I discount Romney because he initiated "individual mandate" health care reform in Massachusetts, but now suddenly thinks it's evil incarnate?
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People that thought Obamas religion was a disqualifier are as asenine as those that thing Romneys is. Obama's deficits were he had zero qualifications beyond being a clean articulate well spoken black person. Romneys disqualifiers are that he changes his position and stances based on which direction the wind is blowing in his consitutents back yard. Dude has to stand for something and be consistent.
 
theplaydrive said:
I think people pay attention to the religious preferences of the Republican Party because Republican social conservatives are louder than Democrat social conservatives and are also more influential in their party.
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Are they, or is that the message that is raised as an attack in every election? Personally I think most republicans are just as corrupt as democrats.
 
VanceMack said:
Are they, or is that the message that is raised as an attack in every election? Personally I think most republicans are just as corrupt as democrats.
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I think more focus is on religion in the Republican Party because it seems like socially, it is playing a bigger role for the GOP members. Saying that it is also possible that more focus is on the environment in the Democratic Party because it seems like environmental issues are playing a bigger role for the Democrat members.
 
MrVicchio said:
Funny how it's only okay to ask Republicans about their religious beliefs and churches.
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according to a lot of republicans, or conservatives, Democrats and Liberals are godless.....right?
 
UtahBill said:
according to a lot of republicans, or conservatives, Democrats and Liberals are godless.....right?
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I tell my priest that daily. :coffeepap
 
MrVicchio said:
Funny how it's only okay to ask Republicans about their religious beliefs and churches.
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libs don't really care about that kind of ****......you guys do. i would vote for a mormon, a catholic, an atheist, whatever.
 
liblady said:
libs don't really care about that kind of ****......you guys do. i would vote for a mormon, a catholic, an atheist, whatever.
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However, the question really invites the candidate to pretend. If one think s he has to be religious to get elected, he will present himself as religious. This strikes me as wrong. It isn't a question we should be asking. We have no single religious belief in this country. Just MHO.
 
UtahBill said:
according to a lot of republicans, or conservatives, Democrats and Liberals are godless.....right?
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Actually, according to a lot of democrats and liberals that post on this site, at least they self identify accordingly.

And it still wouldnt matter to me if they prayed to yahweh, JoJo the Rabbit, or believed in the second coming of Hale Bop or had no spiritual beliefs at all provided they were honest honorable people with a fiscally conservative and limited government mindset (limited to the roles ascribed by the constitution) Id vote for them.
 
VanceMack said:
Are they, or is that the message that is raised as an attack in every election? Personally I think most republicans are just as corrupt as democrats.
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I think they are. It's a lot more accepted to be a pro-gay marriage politician in the democratic party than it is in the republican party. The democratic party is much more into secularism and much less religious than the republican party.
 
Boo Radley said:
However, the question really invites the candidate to pretend. If one think s he has to be religious to get elected, he will present himself as religious. This strikes me as wrong. It isn't a question we should be asking. We have no single religious belief in this country. Just MHO.
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i think we have a right to know their religion. what if they were satanists? or worse, baptists? ;-)
 
liblady said:
libs don't really care about that kind of ****......you guys do. i would vote for a mormon, a catholic, an atheist, whatever.
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I've talked to several liberal ladies such as yourself and they were leary about voting for a Mormom or evangelical Christian. So, don't use your broad brush on your side there, lib.
 
Mellie said:
I've talked to several liberal ladies such as yourself and they were leary about voting for a Mormom or evangelical Christian. So, don't use your broad brush on your side there, lib.
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in fact, that's what you are doing. i'm leery of PEOPLE, not religions. and seriously mellie, got grammar?
 
liblady said:
i think we have a right to know their religion. what if they were satanists? or worse, baptists? ;-)
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As a fomer Baptist, I understand. But really, if he's a satanist, there's likley something else we can hold against him, like all those blood sacrifies. PETA wouldn't go for that. ;)
 
Kudos to Romney on this....
 
theplaydrive said:
I think they are. It's a lot more accepted to be a pro-gay marriage politician in the democratic party than it is in the republican party. The democratic party is much more into secularism and much less religious than the republican party.
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And yet how many anti-gay marriage democrats get called out because of their beliefs?
 
VanceMack said:
And yet how many anti-gay marriage democrats get called out because of their beliefs?
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if they want to foist their personal, religious beliefs on the citizenship, then they should be called out.
 
lewstherin said:
so you're saying there are no "pro-life" atheists? what does abortion have to do with religion?
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I just saw this. The pro-life movement is primarily religious. Asking me what abortion has to do with religion is a ridiculous question for anyone familiar with American politics.
 
VanceMack said:
And yet how many anti-gay marriage democrats get called out because of their beliefs?
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Not many because I don't think many are against it and I would assume those who are against it don't think it's that important because we never hear from them. That said, when Obama was running for office he did, in fact, take a lot of heat from gay organizations for his stance.
 
theplaydrive said:
I just saw this. The pro-life movement is primarily religious. Asking me what abortion has to do with religion is a ridiculous question for anyone familiar with American politics.
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Could we start a forum group to stop this nonsense? Something like... The "I think it's a person" Group. Or AAA (atheists against abortion), but that's exclusive of those coming from the same idea.

Look, most pro-lifers are religious but religion is not the base of considering it a person. This is like saying that the anti-anything is a religious movement, because most of those in the group are religious. You can't just dump it on religion like that, declare it baseless and crap all over anti-abortion atheists. Hating religion doesn't solve moral dilemmas.


I was very hostile towards religion not long ago. Now I take it metaphorically, enjoy and learn from it.
 
ecofarm said:
Could we start a forum group to stop this nonsense? Something like... The "I think it's a person" Group. Or AAA (atheists against abortion), but that's exclusive of those coming from the same idea.

Look, most pro-lifers are religious but religion is not the base of considering it a person. This is like saying that the anti-anything is a religious movement, because most of those in the group are religious.
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like you said, most pro-lifers are religious, so i'm not sure what the problem is. moreover, my original comment was about Romney's new pro-life stance being connected to religion. i'm sorry if people have a hard time accepting that religion may have influenced his views. this isn't a negative or positive, it's a very neutral statement.

You can't just dump it on religion like that, declare it baseless and crap all over anti-abortion atheists. Hating religion doesn't solve moral dilemmas.
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i hope you're not accusing me of doing any of this. if so, this is an unheard of amount of projection onto my post.

I was very hostile towards religion not long ago. Now I take it metaphorically, enjoy and learn from it.
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good for you. i personally have never been hostile towards religion.
 
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The topic, is not grammer nor spelling. Both of you knock it off.


Yes, I did do that intentionally.
 
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