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Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

Making illegal doesn't do anything either. If you want to stop abortion, find someone who is thinking about doing it and do everything you can to convince them it wrong. If its an economic reason, offer to pay for the child and offer your time to help take care of it while the mother works. That's the proper thing to do, thats actually doing something.

No one is talking about "making it illegal." There has been some talk, back in the days when we had the luxury of not worrying about going freaking bankrupt, about maybe putting a few restrictions on it - met by libs and fembots with conniptions.

My point is that politicians from those days, who claimed "personal opposition" but pledged to do absolutely nothing about it, were chickent****s. And dem candidates like Bill were prime examples.
 
True. His grandparents are not an issue.

I still say that if we can talk about Rev. Wright, then it's fair to talk about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Romney does control whether or not he's still a Moron.

In what sermon did Joseph Smith call down damnation on America?
 
True. His grandparents are not an issue.

I still say that if we can talk about Rev. Wright, then it's fair to talk about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Romney does control whether or not he's still a Moron.

Not really, being that one can be a Mormon while not taking a fundamentalist view of the religion
 
No one is talking about "making it illegal." There has been some talk, back in the days when we had the luxury of not worrying about going freaking bankrupt, about maybe putting a few restrictions on it - met by libs and fembots with conniptions.

My point is that politicians from those days, who claimed "personal opposition" but pledged to do absolutely nothing about it, were chickent****s. And dem candidates like Bill were prime examples.

You have not been paying attention to the string of state laws that have been passed this year about abortion.
 
What states outlawed it?

Plenty states are trying to get as close as possible to outlawing it (they can't out right make it illegal).

New abortion restrictions possible in several states | Reuters

Among the more than 200 bills being proposed this year are an Ohio measure that would ban abortions once a heartbeat can be detected -- as early as 18 days for some women.

As soon as a women notices she missed her period :doh

But most are like the quote below

In several states, including Ohio, Florida, Kansas and Kentucky, measures were introduced banning abortion after 20 weeks. These mimic a Nebraska law which bans abortion after a fetus is deemed capable of feeling pain.

In economic hard times, at least we know were our priorities lie :roll:
 
Thanks for the link. You're right. I hadn't been paying attention, aside from the Texas stuff.

I do find this very encouraging:

"We're very worried," said Donna Crane, policy director for NARAL Pro-Choice America. Crane said that because anti-abortion forces have more votes, "the flood gates are open."
 
Plenty states are trying to get as close as possible to outlawing it (they can't out right make it illegal).

New abortion restrictions possible in several states | Reuters



As soon as a women notices she missed her period :doh

But most are like the quote below



In economic hard times, at least we know were our priorities lie :roll:

What is wrong with outlawing the murder of an unborn child when the heartbeat confirms that it is actually a living human being?
 
What is wrong with outlawing the murder of an unborn child when the heartbeat confirms that it is actually a living human being?

Because it essentially makes abortion illegal, which the SCOTUS has said is unconstitutional. But my qualms with making abortion illegal entirely is not with the arguments behind them, its with the supporters being completely unwilling to have any government program in place to help those children. The same people who are anti-abortion are anti-government "hand-outs" and would let the child starve.

If you are going to want to make abortion illegal, you should be willing to pay for the associated social cost.
 
Because it essentially makes abortion illegal, which the SCOTUS has said is unconstitutional. But my qualms with making abortion illegal entirely is not with the arguments behind them, its with the supporters being completely unwilling to have any government program in place to help those children. The same people who are anti-abortion are anti-government "hand-outs" and would let the child starve.

If you are going to want to make abortion illegal, you should be willing to pay for the associated social cost.
I agree, anyone involved with a movement make abortion illegal should have a comprehensive, practical plan for dealing with the consequences.
 
What is wrong with outlawing the murder of an unborn child when the heartbeat confirms that it is actually a living human being?
You do not have much understanding of social behavior do you?

We have plenty of evidence to what happens when abortions are illegal.
- Rich people like Sen. Santorum's wife, can then travel to a country where abortion is legal and get it done there.
- Poor people will resort to cloth hanger abortions in filthy backstreet "clinics" and often with detrimental results to the health of the woman.

You don't really think abortions will disappear just because a law makes it illegal, do you?
 
Because it essentially makes abortion illegal, which the SCOTUS has said is unconstitutional. But my qualms with making abortion illegal entirely is not with the arguments behind them, its with the supporters being completely unwilling to have any government program in place to help those children. The same people who are anti-abortion are anti-government "hand-outs" and would let the child starve.

If you are going to want to make abortion illegal, you should be willing to pay for the associated social cost.

Please don't paint us with such a broad brush. I actually DO support programs to help children. I don't think enough is done to ensure all children get a fair shot in life.
 
You do not have much understanding of social behavior do you?

We have plenty of evidence to what happens when abortions are illegal.
- Rich people like Sen. Santorum's wife, can then travel to a country where abortion is legal and get it done there.
- Poor people will resort to cloth hanger abortions in filthy backstreet "clinics" and often with detrimental results to the health of the woman.

You don't really think abortions will disappear just because a law makes it illegal, do you?

We can say that about a great many undesirable activities, but that doesn't make a good argument for making it legal. Besides, we are talking about a human life here. When you abort it, you are ENDING an innocent human life. To be, that is unacceptable.
 
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