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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    RW no more represents Christianity than I do. I think more people would agree with me than will agree with him. My point is, no one person (other than Jesus) represents Christianity.
    I disagree. I think all Christians represent Christianity. They may not represent the Bible, but religion is a man-made institution and it represented by all the men and women who consider themselves members.

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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    I don't think all humans represent humanity.
    Dahmer, Saddam, Stalin... they don't represent humanity.



    And you did backpedal. You went from "primarily" to "connected" and "may have influence".
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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

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    Romney: 'If You Want to Learn More About My Church, Talk to My Church' - The Note



    What do you think? Do you believe him when he says he wants to keep his religion and his job separate?
    He'll probably keep the things that differentiate Mormons from christian conservatives separate, but will pander to christian conservatives at the expense of all other faiths. Just like most other Republicans would. When it comes to christian conservatives, Republicans have about as much spine as the Democrats have when dealing with unions.
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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't consider humans to be represented by all humans.

    Dahmer, Saddam, Stalin... they don't represent humans.
    Christians represent Christianity because they are "symbols" of Christian doctrine. They are the representatives of Christian doctrine and ideology.

    Human beings aren't representing some collection of ideas. Humans just are and unless we form a Human Organization with set principles, no human being represents humanity.

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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Christians represent Christianity because they are "symbols" of Christian doctrine. They are the representatives of Christian doctrine and ideology.

    Human beings aren't representing some collection of ideas. Humans just are and unless we form a Human Organization with set principles, no human being represents humanity.
    Most human beings represent humanity and most christians represent christianity. Westboro does not represent christians. AlQ does not represent muslims. The KKK does not represent humanity.

    Hatred does not represent anything, except ignorance.
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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And you did backpedal. You went from "primarily" to "connected" and "may have influence".
    That's not backpedaling, that's using different words to express the same idea. Let me show you.

    With regards to the connection of Romney's abortion stance to his religion, the abortion movement is primarily religious which means that Romney's religion may have influenced his stance on abortion.

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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Most human beings represent humanity and most christians represent christianity. Westboro does not represent christians. AlQ does not represent muslims. The KKK does not represent humanity.
    Westboro and AQ represent Christianity and Islam, respectively, because they subscribe to the core beliefs of their religions. They merely represent violent interpretations of said religions. They do not, however, represent the "good" within either religion.

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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    With regards to the connection of Romney's abortion stance to his religion, the abortion movement is primarily religious which means that Romney's religion may have influenced his stance on abortion.
    You said that abortion was primarily religious, THEN you said it was connected and may have influence.The order of things is what creates the backpedal. You can't just mix up the chronology and claim your stance is simply more inclusive of terminology.


    Westboro and AQ represent Christianity and Islam, respectively, because they subscribe to the core beliefs of their religions. They merely represent violent interpretations of said religions. They do not, however, represent the "good" within either religion.
    So if I call myself a pacifist and go on a shooting spree... I represent pacifists. It must be strange (and confusing) accepting all self-labels.
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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    "Reverend Wright" does not represent a religion. He represents extreme political views.
    and this is totally beside the point I was trying to make. can we focus here?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Romney: "If You Want to Learn About My Church, Talk to My Church

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You said that abortion was primarily religious, THEN you said it was connected and may have influence.The order of things is what creates the backpedal. You can't just mix up the chronology and claim your stance is simply more inclusive of terminology.
    Interpret it how you will. I've been saying the exact same thing the entire time.

    So if I call myself a pacifist and go on a shooting spree... I represent pacifists. It must be strange (and confusing) accepting all self-labels.
    Being a Christian is more than calling yourself a Christian, it's about subscribing to core Christian beliefs. The same with being a pacifist. If you subscribe to pacifist beliefs and shoot people, then yes, you represent pacifism - a piss poor interpretation of pacificism, but pacifism nevertheless.

    Christianity and Pacifism are ideas. Anyone who subscribes to those ideas makes themselves a representative of those ideas and their varied interpretations. But they do not represent other people who subscribe to those ideas.

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