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DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

Gargantuan said:
1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

4. Don't need any. It's a well established fact that college students are for the most part democratic liberals.
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ludahai said:
Why should they vote in a location where they are going to stay for 8 months a year for four years before moving on? Why can't they vote absentee??

4. Really? When I went to UGA as a grad student, the College Republicans organization was much larger than the Young Democrats on campus, and there was definately a very conservative tinge to the student body on campus...
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Lies! You're trying to perpetuate a vast right wing conspiracy!
(sarcasm)
 
Gargantuan said:
Again for the 100th time, you can argue it's not too much of a struggle, but the point is, this is a blatant attempt by the GOP to try to stifle young voters.
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No it's not. Many students are not residents of the state and/or district currently leaving. It's not hard to request an absentee ballot and fill it out, and put it out into mail.

Young voters stifle themselves more often than the "system" stifles them.
 
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Fiddytree said:
No it's not. Many students are not residents of the state and/or district currently leaving. It's not hard to request an absentee ballot and fill it out, and put it out into mail.

Young voters stifle themselves more often than the "system" stifles them.
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but then you acknowledge this imposes a hurdle which does not presently exist for that segment of our electorate
 
justabubba said:
but then you acknowledge this imposes a hurdle which does not presently exist for that segment of our electorate
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I do not see it as a hurdle. I see it as self-induced laziness or indifference.
 
justabubba said:
but then you acknowledge this imposes a hurdle which does not presently exist for that segment of our electorate
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you must have missed the posts where I used Gargantuan's own source to show that the vast majority of college students already use absentee ballots and have no difficulty getting or using them.

If they don't think it's difficult... why do you?
 
Absentee college voting represents a possible large scale election fraud process whereby college students vote in their college state or district and their home state or district at the same time. OR, their names are used to perpetrate that fraud.

Someone needed to just say it.
 
Whovian said:
you must have missed the posts where I used Gargantuan's own source to show that the vast majority of college students already use absentee ballots and have no difficulty getting or using them.

If they don't think it's difficult... why do you?
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that does not take away that this is another jim crow-like hurdle imposed on a segment of the electorate
 
OpportunityCost said:
Absentee college voting represents a possible large scale election fraud process whereby college students vote in their college state or district and their home state or district at the same time. OR, their names are used to perpetrate that fraud.

Someone needed to just say it.
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nonsense. If that were the case, there would be evidence of past abuse. I've not seen any. Have you?
 
justabubba said:
that does not take away that this is another jim crow-like hurdle imposed on a segment of the electorate
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Come now. I am in their boat, and I do not feel like this is Jim Crow.
 
Whovian said:
nonsense. If that were the case, there would be evidence of past abuse. I've not seen any. Have you?
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Nope, two reasons. We dont verify enough and different states and districts not only dont compare voter rolls enough, they dont compare actual votes enough. Go talk to your voting board ask them how much they verify with other counties or districts or states.
 
Gargantuan said:
Again for the 100th time, you can argue it's not too much of a struggle, but the point is, this is a blatant attempt by the GOP to try to stifle young voters.
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Yes.... and by damnit its a blatant attempt by Democrats to keep young military members from voting because heaven forbid they have to fill out an absentee ballot!!!
 
Caine said:
Yes.... and by damnit its a blatant attempt by Democrats to keep young military members from voting because heaven forbid they have to fill out an absentee ballot!!!
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Military voters do not generally have the ability to vote, unlike a college student who can go to a poll.
 
Gargantuan said:
Again for the 100th time, you can argue it's not too much of a struggle, but the point is, this is a blatant attempt by the GOP to try to stifle young voters.
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As proven by your own source, it is not a struggle, it is quite easy and the vast majority of college students already vote by absentee ballot.

How can there be an attempt to supress young voters, by requiring the ones on college to do something 90+% of them ALREADY do?

With every post, your FAIL is greater and greater.
 
cpwill said:
my question then becomes: if these - by definition - are the people who don't care enough to even bother to fill out a form; what in the world makes us think that they will care enough to self-educate so that they can make wise and informed votes?

far better that the uninformed and self-absorbed remove themselves from the franchise rather than we have to live with the consequences of their poor decisions.
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And here we go again. The Cons get all up in arms when you accuse them of trying to disenfranchise people, then start coming up with lists of who they think should be disenfranchised. Most of which comes down to "people who voted for Obama."

You're so stung by the fact that 52% of the electorate voted for him, that you're trying to rationalize any way possible that he "didn't really win." That's what the whole birther thing was about, right? Now that's over, so we get "Well, these people shouldn't have been able to vote! If you don't count their votes, Obama loses."

If we disenfranchise the stupid, then who's going to vote for Michele Bachmann?

He won, get over it. He won legally, or at least as legally as some others have won (Rutherford Hayes jumps to mind). Better luck in 2012, and if your candidate is halfway decent, I just might vote for him this time. I might not, that remains to be seen. Regardless, I'd like to see everyone vote. I believe in democracy, even when I don't care for the results.
 
Whovian said:
As proven by your own source, it is not a struggle, it is quite easy and the vast majority of college students already vote by absentee ballot.

How can there be an attempt to supress young voters, by requiring the ones on college to do something 90+% of them ALREADY do?

With every post, your FAIL is greater and greater.
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Stop being an asshole. By requiring them to use absentee ballots, obviously this is a hassle and the ones who would have normally gone out to the poll will not vote because of that. And don't ask me for a source on that, because it's pretty obvious.
 
Gargantuan said:
Stop being an asshole. By requiring them to use absentee ballots, obviously this is a hassle and the ones who would have normally gone out to the poll will not vote because of that. And don't ask me for a source on that, because it's pretty obvious.
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As I have repeatedly proven to you, your OWN POSTED SOURCE disagrees. The only one who thinks colleges students using absentee ballots... is you. The students find it easy and the majority use them now. What part of YOUR SOURCE PROVES this do you continually FAIL to comprehend.

Essentially, you're making **** up, and repeating it over and over, hoping somehow to suddenly look correct. You've been failing miserably at it the entire thread. Time to give up, admit you got your ass kicked in here, and sulk away.
 
But you're still just using retarded hyperbole to attempt to make me stomp away. Absentee ballot= more complicated and many will simply not want to use it to vote because they perceive it to be a hassle, and then end up not voting.
 
Gargantuan said:
But you're still just using retarded hyperbole to attempt to make me stomp away. Absentee ballot= more complicated and many will simply not want to use it to vote because they perceive it to be a hassle, and then end up not voting.
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You obviously do not understand the definition of hyperbole...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hyperbole

A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect



You say that over and over, but you are wrong. YOUR OWN SOURCE tells you that it is NOT a hassle, and that MOST college students already use it.

YOU; It's a hassle
FACTS: It's very easy to obtain and use an absentee ballot
YOU: many will not want to do it
FACTS: MOST college students already USE and absentee ballot
YOU: See? I was right! I win!!
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Give up. You are wrong. You know it, I know it, the board knows it, and YOU OWN SOURCE PROVED it.
 
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Gargantuan said:
But you're still just using retarded hyperbole to attempt to make me stomp away. Absentee ballot= more complicated and many will simply not want to use it to vote because they perceive it to be a hassle, and then end up not voting.
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as if the students are actually going to fail to remember to process and mail their absentee ballots in advance of the election
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Courtesy of gargantuan:
http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/FactSheets/FS_College_Voting.pdf

III. Most Students Voted at Home, and Most Found Voting Easy.
A chief concern for those promoting higher turnout among college students is whether they would find voting difficult—either because of the perceived hassle in voting absentee or problems incurred when trying to vote at their campus locations. Data from the survey suggests that such problems were much less frequent than might have been anticipated.

One of the reasons for the absence of problems might be the percentage voting in their home town (in person or absentee). Of those who were registered, two thirds are registered in their home town (67% home town; 33% college town). Freshmen and sophomores were equally likely to be registered in their home town (68% and 67%); juniors and seniors were slightly less likely to be
registered there (64% and 59%).

Interestingly, 78% of those registered at home prefer to be registered there. This means, however, that more than one in five (22%) of those registered at home would prefer to register at their school address. Among students who were not registered, 44% would prefer to register at their college address. Overall, 26% of those not registered at their school address would prefer to register there.
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Did students find it a real hassle to vote? Of those casting an absentee ballot, the survey inquired separately about the ease of obtaining the ballot and of casting it. Especially in light of some expectations, few students found it difficult. Nearly 90% (88.8) said they found it “very easy” or “fairly easy” both to obtain and to cast an absentee ballot. Only a handful (2.9%) found either or both of these tasks “very difficult.” (To obtain and absentee ballot: 59% very easy; 32% fairly easy; 7% fairly difficult; 1% very difficult; to cast the ballot: 64% veryeasy; 31% fairly easy; 3% fairly difficult; 2% very difficult)
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Fewer than 1 in 25 (3.6%) said they tried to register but were unable to. Only a handful (less than 1%) claimed that they went to the polls but weren’t allowed to vote.
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THE END
 
toddwv said:
High voter turnouts are usually bad for GOPers particularly as their "core" group shrinks in comparison to other segments of the population who tend to vote Democratic.

For some reason, Republicans are actively hostile to minorities. They seem to go out of their way to isolate many sub-groups of voters. So their response to the growing political power of these groups that they've worked so hard to piss off? Discourage them from voting.
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You got sources, or were you praying no one would ask?
 
Gargantuan said:
Again for the 100th time, you can argue it's not too much of a struggle, but the point is, this is a blatant attempt by the GOP to try to stifle young voters.
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Perhaps PERMANENT residents in college towns don't want their local politics to become dominated by students... I can understand that concern...
 
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