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DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

4. Don't need any. It's a well established fact that college students are for the most part democratic liberals.
 
Gargantuan said:
1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

4. Don't need any. It's a well established fact that college students are for the most part democratic liberals.
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1. people use absentee ballots all the time. Military HAVE to. You don't hear them whining about it like you are.

4. It is my experience on this board that when someone refuses to provide a source for a claim, and then uses the phrase 'It's a well established fact'... they are lying. Unless you can provide a link to a credible source proving that college students 'for the most part are democratic liberals', that would brand you a liar.
 
rocket88 said:
Well, if you don't like democracy, there are plenty of non-democracies in the world that you can live in. I believe in dissent as an important part of our political system, but if you don't even believe in our political system, then I can't help you. I always hated people who said "Love it or leave it," (mostly because what they really meant was "agree with the Republicans of leave it), but I do think that if you don't have any respect or attachment to the basics of our political system...well, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
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Yes, well lets just say this, I have always believed there needs to be qualifiers in place for voting. The founding fathers pushed the idea of property as that qualifier, and that is a qualifier I believe in as well.

If you read the Constitution there are little things like Freedom of Speech, Free Press and Freedom to Assemble. Political involvement is inherent in those things. John Adams believed that the Congress should be a "miniature" of American society. When you only let certain people vote, it looks like a "miniature" of that segment of society.
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John Adams is a horrible example, you know. :) He wasn't one that believed everyone should vote like you are.
 
Bull ****ing ****. You know damn well college students are predominately democrats. I don't need to give you a citation on that.

There is no credibility lost there. WHY ARE THEY MAKING COLLEGE STUDENTS USE ABSENTEES - BECAUSE IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO VOTE AND MORE OF A HASSLE. That is the reason. Plain and simple. Don't be an idiot. What if they told you that you had to use absentee ballots? What would you say then? Oh the military has to also so I am ok with it? What if they took away early/day of registration froo YOU? Is that ok also? Everyone knows college students, especially 18 year old freshmen/sophomores, tend to be a little irresponsible and probably haven't registered yet. No reason to take away their early registration.

If you really want a link here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/w...kvQkT+aYTOYz/BCpTsRCg&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

But you know you are just attempting to discredit me with stupid points. Any idiot knows that youth vote liberal.
 
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why are they making college students use absentees - because it makes it harder for them to vote and more of a hassle.
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why are they making military members use absentees - because it makes it harder for them to vote and more of a hassle.
 
Gargantuan said:
Bull ****ing ****. You know damn well college students are predominately democrats. I don't need to give you a citation on that.

There is no credibility lost there. WHY ARE THEY MAKING COLLEGE STUDENTS USE ABSENTEES - BECAUSE IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO VOTE AND MORE OF A HASSLE. That is the reason. Plain and simple. Don't be an idiot. What if they told you that you had to use absentee ballots? What would you say then? Oh the military has to also so I am ok with it? What if they took away early/day of registration froo YOU? Is that ok also? Everyone knows college students, especially 18 year old freshmen/sophomores, tend to be a little irresponsible and probably haven't registered yet. No reason to take away their early registration.

If you really want a link here: Young Americans Are Leaning Left, New Poll Finds - NYTimes.com

But you know you are just attempting to discredit me with stupid points. Any idiot knows that youth vote liberal.
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pathetic.

54% of people under the age of 29 vote democrat.

nothing about college kids, just age.

and the difference? A wopping 4%.


everyone is laughing but you.

time to move this nonsense to the conspiracy forums.
 
Caine said:
why are they making military members use absentees - because it makes it harder for them to vote and more of a hassle.
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Dont be ridiculous. How else is someone on active duty going to vote? Justify making college students use absentees.
 
apdst said:
Care to show us the source of that slogan?
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Well there's you:

apdst said:
If you don't pay taxes, you don't. If you don;t have anything to lose, other than your welfare, then you don't have skin in the game.
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And from Henrin:

Henrin said:
I have always believed there needs to be qualifiers in place for voting. The founding fathers pushed the idea of property as that qualifier, and that is a qualifier I believe in as well.
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Thus -- poor people shouldn't be able to vote. Nobody said those words, but all you have to do is read.
 
Henrin said:
Yes, well lets just say this, I have always believed there needs to be qualifiers in place for voting. The founding fathers pushed the idea of property as that qualifier, and that is a qualifier I believe in as well.
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Well, lets just say that I have always believed in democracy. Apparently you don't.


John Adams is a horrible example, you know. :) He wasn't one that believed everyone should vote like you are.
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True. But if you look at the spirit of what he thought, it's there.

BTW, for all the "Respect the Constitution as written" we get from your side, it frankly amazes me how often Conservatives fail to do exactly that.
 
Gargantuan said:
Bull ****ing ****. You know damn well college students are predominately democrats. I don't need to give you a citation on that.

There is no credibility lost there. WHY ARE THEY MAKING COLLEGE STUDENTS USE ABSENTEES - BECAUSE IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO VOTE AND MORE OF A HASSLE. That is the reason. Plain and simple. Don't be an idiot. What if they told you that you had to use absentee ballots? What would you say then? Oh the military has to also so I am ok with it? What if they took away early/day of registration froo YOU? Is that ok also? Everyone knows college students, especially 18 year old freshmen/sophomores, tend to be a little irresponsible and probably haven't registered yet. No reason to take away their early registration.

If you really want a link here: Young Americans Are Leaning Left, New Poll Finds - NYTimes.com

But you know you are just attempting to discredit me with stupid points. Any idiot knows that youth vote liberal.
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Any college student that doesn't have the gumption to take care of their absentee ballot is either too stupid to be in college, or wasn't going to vote no matter what, anyway.

But you know you are just attempting to discredit me with stupid points. Any idiot knows that youth vote liberal.
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Because most of them don't know any better.
 
rocket88 said:
Well there's you:



And from Henrin:



Thus -- poor people shouldn't be able to vote. Nobody said those words, but all you have to do is read.
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So, poor people don't have skin in the game? I guess the next thing you're going to tell us, is that all poor people are on welfare.
 
Gargantuan said:
Dont be ridiculous. How else is someone on active duty going to vote? Justify making college students use absentees.
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Do they pay a light bill, property taxes, water bill while they're living on campus? No? There's your justification. They're not permanent residents of that voting district.
 
Tell ya what libs. A compromise. When someone dies in Illinois, we'll bury them with 1000 absentee ballots, so that they will never run out. Deal ?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Tell ya what libs. A compromise. When someone dies in Illinois, we'll bury them with 1000 absentee ballots, so that they will never run out. Deal ?
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The only thing wrong with that, is they'll have to be digging up the body every 6 months to get another absentee ballot to turn in. :lamo
 
apdst said:
Do they pay a light bill, property taxes, water bill while they're living on campus? No? There's your justification. They're not permanent residents of that voting district.
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Does an 18 year old living in his mom's house pay any of that either? No. That's a poor argument. These kids are residents of the college and that zip code. They deserve to be able to vote there. A perfect example is my home district (I now live in NYC) NY's 1st congressional. Tim Bishop, the rep out there lost by barely a few hundred votes and he won thanks to college students because of his undying efforts to make college affordable for them. They were able to vote at places like Stony Brook right there at a polling place. He is a democrat. If these efforts succeeded, he probably wouldn't have been able to win.
 
Gargantuan said:
Does an 18 year old living in his mom's house pay any of that either? No. That's a poor argument. These kids are residents of the college and that zip code. They deserve to be able to vote there. A perfect example is my home district (I now live in NYC) NY's 1st congressional.
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Is that his home of record, or is he just crashing there while he's in college?

Tim Bishop, the rep out there lost by barely a few hundred votes and he won thanks to college students because of his undying efforts to make college affordable for them. They were able to vote at places like Stony Brook right there at a polling place. Perfect, perfect example.
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Yeah. A perfect example of how an election got rigged.
 
Rigged? Really? More like tireless campaigning by Bishop by getting his base, college students, to vote legally and fairly at their universities. He even had President Clinton go to SBU and had a huge rally there. It's a perfect example of why the GOP is trying to do this in many states.

It shouldn't matter. When you go to college your address becomes wherever you are staying. You should be able to vote there and not have to go through the hassle of an absentee ballot. The military argument is ridiculous. The same justification can be made forcing everyone to use absentee ballots. The military uses it so we all should, right?
 
apdst said:
The only thing wrong with that, is they'll have to be digging up the body every 6 months to get another absentee ballot to turn in. :lamo
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Actually, they will be getting 10-20 at a time. ;)
 
apdst said:
So, poor people don't have skin in the game? I guess the next thing you're going to tell us, is that all poor people are on welfare.
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Where did I ever get the silly idea that people who don't own property and are on welfare are poor...

Ok. Why don't you tell us who should and should not be able to vote. Other than those who are already not legally able to vote. So no illegal immigrants and no dead people (OK, Eighty Deuce. I'm not advocating letting the dead vote. Where you got that idea, I'll never know.). Who else?
 
Gargantuan said:
Dont be ridiculous. How else is someone on active duty going to vote? Justify making college students use absentees.
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They can vote "on base"

Can you tell me the difference between being able to vote on base and vote on campus?

Edit: Not everyone on active duty is deployed.
 
Gargantuan said:
Bull ****ing ****. You know damn well college students are predominately democrats. I don't need to give you a citation on that.

There is no credibility lost there. WHY ARE THEY MAKING COLLEGE STUDENTS USE ABSENTEES - BECAUSE IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO VOTE AND MORE OF A HASSLE. That is the reason. Plain and simple. Don't be an idiot. What if they told you that you had to use absentee ballots? What would you say then? Oh the military has to also so I am ok with it? What if they took away early/day of registration froo YOU? Is that ok also? Everyone knows college students, especially 18 year old freshmen/sophomores, tend to be a little irresponsible and probably haven't registered yet. No reason to take away their early registration.

If you really want a link here: Young Americans Are Leaning Left, New Poll Finds - NYTimes.com

But you know you are just attempting to discredit me with stupid points. Any idiot knows that youth vote liberal.
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was this addressed to me?
 
Whovian said:
was this addressed to me?
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Don't think so.

Caine, the point is the GOP is restricting college students from voting on campus. Equating that to the military is absolutely ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Look at the election of Tim Bishop to the 1st congressional (NY) in 2002 and his election in 2010. Both of them were won with a few thousand votes from college students.

Whovian, 19-29 = college students. You are simply grasping at this point and you know it. Even Anne Coulter recognizes that youth tend to lean liberal.
 
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