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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That's a really stupid argument. That's like saying since I am a federal worker and you pay taxes to the gov you pay my salary and therefore anything I buy is yours.
    That's an even stupider argument. All I'm saying is that the welfare class doesn't pay taxes. How can they possibly pay taxes, when the money they spend is government money, to begin with?

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    uh, representative democracy
    did you skip civics class or something?
    I guess the Founders skipped civics, too?

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, if you don't like democracy, there are plenty of non-democracies in the world that you can live in. I believe in dissent as an important part of our political system, but if you don't even believe in our political system, then I can't help you. I always hated people who said "Love it or leave it," (mostly because what they really meant was "agree with the Republicans of leave it), but I do think that if you don't have any respect or attachment to the basics of our political system...well, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

    If you read the Constitution there are little things like Freedom of Speech, Free Press and Freedom to Assemble. Political involvement is inherent in those things. John Adams believed that the Congress should be a "miniature" of American society. When you only let certain people vote, it looks like a "miniature" of that segment of society.
    What's that got to do with anything ? This is about legal voting. One qualified person = one vote. Cry me a river because dead folks will no longer be able to vote ! Or punks and scammers won't be able to vote more than once ! Boo-friggin hoo !!!!!

    FYI, John Adams was a proponent of white propertied men being the only ones with appropriate "skin in the game" to vote. Which was proper for the time.

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That's a really stupid argument. That's like saying since I am a federal worker and you pay taxes to the gov you pay my salary and therefore anything I buy is yours.
    Wrong. The difference is that you did something to EARN that money.

    The welfare recipients did not earn the money they have received.
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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan
    For the hundredth time, look at my post. I posted the same thing twice with a clear and concise explanation, and it was blown off. Please go ahead and take a look.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    sorry...I did not read back that far, as my questions (twice) was posted several pages after that. A link to the post might make it easier next time you're asked about something you may have already answered in a thread... just sayin.

    Your post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan
    This actually does have some merit. They are trying to make it harder in some cases for younger members of the population to vote by requiring more identification/stopping voting in college districts.

    "Recent Republican proposals have or would put in place onerous voter ID requirements, curtail early voting, and prevent students from casting ballots where they go to school. These proposals are costly and could disenfranchise hundreds of thousands if not millions of voters, but most of those affected are more likely to vote for Democrats. Republicans have invoked the specter of voter fraud to justify the restrictions, but the type of voter fraud these laws are designed to address are extremely rare the Bush administration, despite pursuing the issue vigorously, never produced more than a handful of voter fraud prosecutions."


    More: Hyperbole about Jim Crow shouldn’t obscure truth about GOP voting proposals - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

    Man I seem to be finding myself defending this woman a lot
    OK... lets address those one at a time...

    1... I see nothing wrong with requiring ID to be able to vote at a polling station. I was taken aback in PA the first time I voted here after moving, when I simply told them who I was, signed a register the first time, and was given my ballot. No ID check, nothing. I could have been anyone, and they never would have known. As for stopping voting in colleges, I see nothing wrong with that either. If the soldier in other countries have to cast absentee ballots, why can't college students who are away from home?

    2... Pretty much covered in my first response. I have no idea what your personal definition of onerous is, but if it's showing a valid form of ID, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

    3... Requiring voters to prove who they are by showing valid ID is not even remotely close to preventing them from voting. It would ensure their eligibility. You know, like proving your a natural born citizen so you can run for President?

    4... You have GOT to be kidding! The alleged 'millions of college students' that would be affected... would be Democrats? No Republican college students would be hit by this? Really? You don't happen to have any hard numbers to back that up, do you?


    That's almost a bigger FAIL for you than the other thread. :
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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

    4. Don't need any. It's a well established fact that college students are for the most part democratic liberals.

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle ...........
    Credibility ended right there ...............

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    1. Because it is a ridiculous hassle and if they are going to college and living in that district they should be able to vote there. There is absolutely no justification for that. That's using the same exact logic as "Well hey, the military uses absentees, so it's ok for me to use one too!"

    4. Don't need any. It's a well established fact that college students are for the most part democratic liberals.
    1. people use absentee ballots all the time. Military HAVE to. You don't hear them whining about it like you are.

    4. It is my experience on this board that when someone refuses to provide a source for a claim, and then uses the phrase 'It's a well established fact'... they are lying. Unless you can provide a link to a credible source proving that college students 'for the most part are democratic liberals', that would brand you a liar.

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Credibility ended right there ...............
    he had some before?

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    Re: DNC Chair: GOP wants to "Drag Us Back To Jim Crow Laws"

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, if you don't like democracy, there are plenty of non-democracies in the world that you can live in. I believe in dissent as an important part of our political system, but if you don't even believe in our political system, then I can't help you. I always hated people who said "Love it or leave it," (mostly because what they really meant was "agree with the Republicans of leave it), but I do think that if you don't have any respect or attachment to the basics of our political system...well, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
    Yes, well lets just say this, I have always believed there needs to be qualifiers in place for voting. The founding fathers pushed the idea of property as that qualifier, and that is a qualifier I believe in as well.

    If you read the Constitution there are little things like Freedom of Speech, Free Press and Freedom to Assemble. Political involvement is inherent in those things. John Adams believed that the Congress should be a "miniature" of American society. When you only let certain people vote, it looks like a "miniature" of that segment of society.
    John Adams is a horrible example, you know. He wasn't one that believed everyone should vote like you are.

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