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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What definition would include government protections under rights? Well?
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have no idea what you're even trying to ask here. Try again.
    It goes back to what are rights. While the ability to speak your mind is a right, freedom of press and the ability to bear arms is not a right, but government protected services that are protected for reasons decided by the state. The government can protect rights, but in order for that to be done you still have to understand what is a right.

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It goes back to what are rights. While the ability to speak your mind is a right, freedom of press and the ability to bear arms is not a right, but government protected services that are protected for reasons decided by the state. The government can protect rights, but in order for that to be done you still have to understand what is a right.
    OK, let's go with the right to speak your mind. (I'm not sure how you decided that THAT is a right whereas freedom of the press is merely a government-protected service, but I'll go with it.) If you have the right to speak your mind, doesn't it logically follow that you then have the right to listen to others speak THEIR mind, and that you have the right to obtain information so that you can make up your mind in the first place? After all, the right to speak one's mind doesn't do anyone much good, if no one else is allowed to listen to them.

    If so, then governments that disconnect people from the internet (or ban newspapers, or any of the other old forms of repression) would be violating their people's rights.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, let's go with the right to speak your mind. (I'm not sure how you decided that THAT is a right whereas freedom of the press is merely a government-protected service, but I'll go with it.) If you have the right to speak your mind, doesn't it logically follow that you then have the right to listen to others speak THEIR mind, and that you have the right to obtain information so that you can make up your mind in the first place? After all, the right to speak one's mind doesn't do anyone much good, if no one else is allowed to listen to them.

    If so, then governments that disconnect people from the internet (or ban newspapers, or any of the other old forms of repression) would be violating their people's rights.
    You are connecting knowledge to speaking your mind. There is no qualifier that says you need to be wise to speak. The services that open you up to knowledge are not rights because they happen to do this for people. Rights are not created by chance, they are not created by a great idea, they are not created by how much they help someone. That is what makes a valuable service, not a right.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    At first I thought this was a bit overzealous, but after thinking about it more I agree with the UN. The internet is the 21st century of the newspaper or television, and cutting people off is even more harmful than denying them access to those things would be. This is one of many reasons I oppose giving any person or government a "kill switch" through which they can cut people off from the internet.

    Do you agree with the UN that it's a violation of human rights to disconnect people from the internet? Why or why not?
    No, but I find it odd people get disconnected from the internet, and some brilliant thinkers (sarcasm icon) believe it's considered a violation of human rights, yet disconnecting an unborn from their mother's womb when the baby doesn't not pose any threat to the mother is considered Honky Dory.

    You just have to wonder where this **** comes from sometimes.

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Does this mean the UN will pay my DSL bill?

    This is a real close to being over the top, but then I have no respect for the UN because they are pretty much useless for anything other than hating the USA, wasting money, being Commies. We have plenty of those types here on this forum.

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Then, more than half of the people in the world are having their human rights abused.
    This is ridiculous.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's not surprising that the UN is so ineffective when its member states accord it so little power and resources to begin with.
    Well, the UN would have a little more credibility if it didn't continually reject the aspirations of the 23 million people of the independent and democratic island country of Taiwan, a country I might add does a far better job of protecting human rights than the vast majority of UN members...
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Then, more than half of the people in the world are having their human rights abused.
    This is ridiculous.
    To clarify: The UN didn't say that people have to have access to the internet, they just said that disconnecting them (i.e. DENYING them access) was a violation of human rights. And I would agree that more than half of the people in the world are having their human rights abused, albeit for other reasons.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    To clarify: The UN didn't say that people have to have access to the internet, they just said that disconnecting them (i.e. DENYING them access) was a violation of human rights. And I would agree that more than half of the people in the world are having their human rights abused, albeit for other reasons.
    Yes, I do also agree with the part of half the world being violated of their human rights
    Yet the idea itself is ridiculous. Why is disconnecting people from the Internet a violation of human rights? The person whose connection has been lost might not have paid for the connection, or the company providing the connection might have bankrupted, or countless other kinds of circumstances that can't and shouldn't be outlawed.
    I would like to say that this is another piece of evidence and an example of why the UN is worthless and nothing but a mouthpiece for human right activists
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