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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    "You can't have peace without war"
    precisely my point.

    In the real world you can't have peace without armies, either.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Does your government provide guns?

    I agree that this is stupid, but you're kinda misrepresenting it, it's not the government has to provide it, it's that the government can't stop you from accessing it.
    Punishing Kevin Mitnick in such a way would thus be a bad thing. Tossing aside Mitnick's particular case, I think governments should have that ability to take away internet access against certain criminals, as I see it as a privilege.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    How can something be considered a human right when its potentiality has only existed for a couple of decades?
    Because porn is THAT important.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But you have the right to *access* TV and newspaper, at least in this country. The government can't just ban you from viewing or participating in those media sources if you want to.
    No you don't. Tell me what a right is. I think you don't understand it.

    Anyway, I think its about time we get rid of the UN if they are going to further the misunderstanding of what rights are.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    How can something be considered a human right when its potentiality has only existed for a couple of decades?
    People need it so its a right. That is how these kind of people work. Get used to it.

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No you don't. Tell me what a right is. I think you don't understand it.

    Anyway, I think its about time we get rid of the UN if they are going to further the misunderstanding of what rights are.
    OK, well then please explain to us dummies what rights are. Because most definitions would certainly include freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    At first I thought this was a bit overzealous, but after thinking about it more I agree with the UN. The internet is the 21st century of the newspaper or television, and cutting people off is even more harmful than denying them access to those things would be. This is one of many reasons I oppose giving any person or government a "kill switch" through which they can cut people off from the internet.

    Do you agree with the UN that it's a violation of human rights to disconnect people from the internet? Why or why not?
    I disagree with the UN. What happens when you don't pay your newspaper subscription?
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, well then please explain to us dummies what rights are. Because most definitions would certainly include freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
    What definition would include government protections under rights? Well?

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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I disagree with the UN. What happens when you don't pay your newspaper subscription?
    The UN resolution is referring to governments disconnecting people from the internet and/or preventing them from getting access, not service providers being forced to support you. So to answer your question: If you don't pay your bill to the New York Times, the New York Times will probably cancel your subscription. But if the government tells you that you CAN'T get the New York Times anymore, then that would be a violation of your right to freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
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