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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I could go on, but I got bored, the fact remains that the UN is not asking governments to supply the means to exercise a right, merely that they cannot restrict ones ability to exercise it, and that Finland, no matter how hard you pretend, is not analogous to the UN.
    An important point. Now, if the infrastructure is state owned and the program is dropped have they restricted you?


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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Does your government provide guns?
    No, but it is making health insurance mandatory. The problem is, Spud, that once something becomes a "right" people take that to mean it's a right to have it for free. I wish I could find the quote but I remember some US politician (a Dem, of course), not long ago, saying that the government should provide everyone a laptop and high speed Internet.

    Then there's this from Canada.

    High-speed Internet a Basic Right in Canada? - TNW Canada
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    I did some digging.. We provide 22% of the funding for the U.N.. In 1972 we had to request and allow the U.N. to vote on reducing our contribution from 35% down to 25%. Obviously, we won that vote..but still. Then, in 2000 they lowered the cap to 22%...so we're at the peak of financial contribution. The current general budget for the U.N. is $14.5 billion. Then, apparently the "peacekeeping" budget is separate; the U.S. contributes 27% of that budget, which was set at 7.8 billion for the 2009-2010 fiscal year (didn't find current numbers).

    So we put in $3,190,000,000 for the general budget and $2,106,000,000 for peacekeeping, for a total of $5,296,000,000.

    That's 5% of our 2010 dept. of education funding.
    It's 8% of the DHS spending in 2010.
    It's 3% of the dept. of agriculture spending in 2010.
    It's about the 50% of legislative spending in 2010.
    It's about 50% of National Science Foundation spending in 2010.
    It's about 20% of dept. of energy spending in 2010.

    And for that expense we're getting reports like the one referenced in the OP? And sternly worded letters to those who violate U.N. "rules"?
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    It could potentially be a violation of free speech, so to that end it might be considered a violation of civil rights. (I'm thinking of China in this instance)

    But access to the internet is not a human right.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Gee... perhaps the UN should take a good look back at the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... didn't see anything about Internet in there... talk about the UN trivilizing something that is very important. That seminal document is a pretty good summation of what ought to be basic human rights. How about we ensure that all people around the world have those first before we worry about guaranteeing Internet access???
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Gee... perhaps the UN should take a good look back at the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... didn't see anything about Internet in there... talk about the UN trivilizing something that is very important. That seminal document is a pretty good summation of what ought to be basic human rights. How about we ensure that all people around the world have those first before we worry about guaranteeing Internet access???
    Excellent point.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I did some digging.. We provide 22% of the funding for the U.N.. In 1972 we had to request and allow the U.N. to vote on reducing our contribution from 35% down to 25%. Obviously, we won that vote..but still. Then, in 2000 they lowered the cap to 22%...so we're at the peak of financial contribution. The current general budget for the U.N. is $14.5 billion. Then, apparently the "peacekeeping" budget is separate; the U.S. contributes 27% of that budget, which was set at 7.8 billion for the 2009-2010 fiscal year (didn't find current numbers).

    So we put in $3,190,000,000 for the general budget and $2,106,000,000 for peacekeeping, for a total of $5,296,000,000.

    That's 5% of our 2010 dept. of education funding.
    It's 8% of the DHS spending in 2010.
    It's 3% of the dept. of agriculture spending in 2010.
    It's about the 50% of legislative spending in 2010.
    It's about 50% of National Science Foundation spending in 2010.
    It's about 20% of dept. of energy spending in 2010.

    And for that expense we're getting reports like the one referenced in the OP? And sternly worded letters to those who violate U.N. "rules"?
    I watched an episode this weekend of a show called "Locked Up Abroad" where this British soldier volunteered to be a UN peacekeeper in Sierra Lione. He ran a disarmament station. Anyway, at some point, the compound started to get overrun by rebels, and he asked for permission to get out but his UN commanders said no, that they should fight (they had no weapons). Later though, when it got to where he couldn't easily escape any more, the UN didn't offer any assistance to try to get them out and told him to try to escape instead. I thought that show succinctly illustrated the value of the UN.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I watched an episode this weekend of a show called "Locked Up Abroad" where this British soldier volunteered to be a UN peacekeeper in Sierra Lione. He ran a disarmament station. Anyway, at some point, the compound started to get overrun by rebels, and he asked for permission to get out but his UN commanders said no, that they should fight (they had no weapons). Later though, when it got to where he couldn't easily escape any more, the UN didn't offer any assistance to try to get them out and told him to try to escape instead. I thought that show succinctly illustrated the value of the UN.
    I like the irony in being part of a peacekeeping group being asked to fight against an insurgency.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I like the irony in being part of a peacekeeping group being asked to fight against an insurgency.
    Sometimes the peacekeepers have to be peacemakers first.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I watched an episode this weekend of a show called "Locked Up Abroad" where this British soldier volunteered to be a UN peacekeeper in Sierra Lione. He ran a disarmament station. Anyway, at some point, the compound started to get overrun by rebels, and he asked for permission to get out but his UN commanders said no, that they should fight (they had no weapons). Later though, when it got to where he couldn't easily escape any more, the UN didn't offer any assistance to try to get them out and told him to try to escape instead. I thought that show succinctly illustrated the value of the UN.
    It's not surprising that the UN is so ineffective when its member states accord it so little power and resources to begin with.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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