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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But you have the right to *access* TV and newspaper, at least in this country. The government can't just ban you from viewing or participating in those media sources if you want to.
    Well whatever we consider other media sources, the same guidelines should be applied to the internet. Save for convicted felons.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I think I'm gonna take a moment to laugh at you, the UN and anyone else that thinks access to the Internet is a "Human Right".

    Laughable, except for the more dangerous underlying issue:

    If access to the internet is a "Human Right" then that means you cannot be charged to access it, which means "Government" must provide it. Furthermore, if it's a "Human Right" and a Government entity has to provide for it, to ensure your rights after all, that means the Government will need to ensure that the content you are receiving is "the right content".

    You didn't think about it Kandahar, you felt about it, and it felt bad to think that somewhere, someone, might not be able to access the internet! Didn't it?
    Does your government provide guns?

    I agree that this is stupid, but you're kinda misrepresenting it, it's not the government has to provide it, it's that the government can't stop you from accessing it.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do you think that the government should be able to ban you from accessing newspapers, television, radio, and books too?
    It's not a matter of "human rights" which is what makes you look so damned foolish. You don't think that in a major emergency event, they couldn't black out TV, radio and shut down printing presses now? Is that a matter of "Human Rights"?

    No, it's not. You should stop while you're ahead man.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Does your government provide guns?

    I agree that this is stupid, but you're kinda misrepresenting it, it's not the government has to provide it, it's that the government can't stop you from accessing it.
    ICT & Human Rights
    Main article: Right to Internet access
    In 2009, Finland was the first country to make 1-megabit broadband Web access a legal right.[145]
    According to a survey in 2010, nearly four out of five people around the world believe that access to the internet is a fundamental right.[146
    Human rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You think I'm just pulling **** out of my ass Spud? THIS is what they are gunning for. Do try to keep up before you step in it.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's not a matter of "human rights" which is what makes you look so damned foolish.
    You don't consider freedom of speech and freedom of the press to be human rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    You don't think that in a major emergency event, they couldn't black out TV, radio and shut down printing presses now? Is that a matter of "Human Rights"?
    No they couldn't (at least not legally), and yes it is.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You don't consider freedom of speech and freedom of the press to be human rights?



    No they couldn't (at least not legally), and yes it is.

    You make me laugh.

    Those are Constitutionally Protected Rights. Wherein do "Human Rights" come from? And who protects them? Decides them? Hmmm?

    And yes, they can and no it's not.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You make me laugh.

    Those are Constitutionally Protected Rights.
    If all you're going to argue about is semantics, why are you being such an ass about it? It sounds like you agree with every single thing that I've said (and that the UN said), except you specifically don't like the phrase "human rights" for some reason.

    Did you ever stop to think about WHY freedom of speech and freedom of the press were included in the Constitution in the first place?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    Wherein do "Human Rights" come from? And who protects them? Decides them? Hmmm?
    In this case, the UN decided it. No one protects them on a global basis, just some individual member states. Next?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio
    And yes, they can and no it's not.
    It's interesting that you're OK with the government blacking out the media whenever there's an "emergency." I hear Bashar Assad is looking for some openings in his cabinet following the recent defections; I think you'd fit right in.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    I don't think access to publically available information is a "human right", but I definitely agree that a civilised government in a free country should NEVER be able to remove from me the ability to access said information no matter what form it may come in and that includes the internet. Unless I'm in jail and even that is debatable.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Human rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You think I'm just pulling **** out of my ass Spud? THIS is what they are gunning for. Do try to keep up before you step in it.
    Really, you're saying the actions of a sovereign nation are somehow related to those of the UN?

    Lets look at other rights guaranteed by the UN:

    # (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    Has the UN said all governments have to supply cars?

    # (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
    Do governments have to give people property?

    * Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
    Do governments have to supply thoughts, consciences, religions and places of worships?

    # (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
    Do governments have to supply jobs?

    I could go on, but I got bored, the fact remains that the UN is not asking governments to supply the means to exercise a right, merely that they cannot restrict ones ability to exercise it, and that Finland, no matter how hard you pretend, is not analogous to the UN.
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    Re: United Nations: Disconnecting People From the Internet Is a Violation of Human Ri

    How can something be considered a human right when its potentiality has only existed for a couple of decades?
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