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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Conservatives: "Yaa workers rights being thrown out the window! Who needs worker say in the workplace!?"


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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    By restore discipline I mean put the teachers and the Principal back in charge of the students. Restore the authority of teachers to beat that ass as necessary. The ones who are past caring, past fixing and won't stop disrupting other's ability to learn... permanent expulsion and that without delay.
    Nope - not the answer. No one's laying a hand on my children but ME. I birthed them from tween my loins. . . they didn't.
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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Hooray!
    Step by step, state by state... The ball of sobriety is rolling.
    Along the way we need to eliminate the DoE.

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    Union power should be limited. Teachers are no more special than any other employee in this country. I support peoples ability to join a union. That said it should not be mandatory to pay union dues or join a union and teachers should just as easily fired as any other employee on the planet.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Conservatives: "Yaa workers rights being thrown out the window! Who needs worker say in the workplace!?"
    This bill does not destroy someone's ability to join a union. And seeing how most places do not have unions workers rights are not being squashed. Some of the union's power might be stripped but that is only because the unions caused this themselves.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Teachers are no more special than any other employee in this country.
    Except that they care for your children and shape their minds for 8 hours a day.

    That makes them just like the cashier at 7/11?

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why, in your opinion, would that occur?

    Are shoes made only for the rich? Are clothes made only for the rich? Is food made only for the rich? Are cell phones made only for the rich? Are TV sets made only for the rich? Are automobiles made only for the rich?

    Or can one find a variety of goods, and services to meet each individual's needs and income? Please explain to me why you think education would be any different than all of the other goods and services that are provided in an astonishing range of prices and features?
    None of those things are as valuable as an education.

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Except that they care for your children and shape their minds for 8 hours a day.

    That makes them just like the cashier at 7/11?
    Yes and just like a 7/11 cashier they are paid to do a service.If they screw up on providing that service they should be easily fired and replaced. They are not chosen by God, they are not saints nor are they irreplaceable. They can and should be easily fired and replaceable just like any other employee on the planet. A day care worker takes care of kids for eight hours a day, a baby sitter takes care of kids for a few hours or more a day. A community college teaches young adults. A private school teacher teaches and cares for kids eight hours a day. They should not be put on some pedestal
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes and just like a 7/11 cashier they are paid to do a service.If they screw up on providing that service they should be easily fired and replaced. They are not chosen by God, they are not saints nor are they irreplaceable. They can and should be easily fired and replaceable just like any other employee on the planet. A day care worker takes care of kids for eight hours a day, a baby sitter takes care of kids for a few hours or more a day. A community college teaches young adults. A private school teacher teaches and cares for kids eight hours a day. They should not be put on some pedestal
    And if each parent paid a teacher as much as they paid a babysitter per hour, a teacher would make about $150,000 a year.

    And, yes, if they screw up, they should be fired. That part, I'll agree with. But continuing to undervalue the work they do is only going to decrease the quality of people we have teaching our children.

    If you think your staff sucks, do you try to replace them by offering their replacements even less incentive to take the job?

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    If parents want to send their kids to public schools.. They will support it.. Otherwise they can pay for private school.. Goshin is so correct!! Our children today have no discipline.. I remember the days of a big thick paddle hanging on the wall.. Having your hand smacked with a ruler.. Parent't aren't teaching their children discipline at home.. They need to learn it somewhere..
    Slap a child's hand with a ruler? You and what army? Our dismal Chicago schools are war zones. Until our system is willing to lose their per-pupil subsidy for these troublemakers and throw their asses outa' school...set up armed perimeters and get the good kids safely to and from school...the only thing ruler-slappin's gunna do is turn those slapped into rabid dogs and require hazard pay for teachers.

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    Re: Tennessee Trumps Wiconsin: Kills Teacher Collective Bargaining. Dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And if each parent paid a teacher as much as they paid a babysitter per hour, a teacher would make about $150,000 a year.

    You must have some pretty expensive baby sitters where you live. Even if you paid a teacher 20 dollars an hour for 8 hours a day,5 days a week, for a year that doesn't even come close to 50 thousand a year.

    Of course 20 dollars an hour is generous.
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    And, yes, if they screw up, they should be fired. That part, I'll agree with. But continuing to undervalue the work they do is only going to decrease the quality of people we have teaching our children.
    I do not undervalue the work anyone does. I do not give a **** if they are teacher, fireman, convenience store clerk, garbage man, septic sewer cleaner, gardener/landscaper, police officer. What I do not do is put someone on a pedestal.


    If you think your staff sucks, do you try to replace them by offering their replacements even less incentive to take the job?
    Telling the repacements they can be just as easily fired anyone else is not less of an incentive to take a job.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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