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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    Here is where the bell ringing comes into play. I know you've been hung up on that for several days now.
    But that's not what she said. You have to twist her words to mean something other than what she actually said in order to make her correct. You're no different than the cultists who editted the Conservapedia and Wikipedia sites in their vein attempt to alter history to make her correct when she's not.

    Read it again ... pay close attention to the highlighted word ...
    "He who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms BY ringing those bells"
    She idiotically stated that Paul Revere warned the British that they were not going to be taking away our arms BY ringing those bells.

    How did ringing bells warn the British they were not going to take our arms? And are you aware that the bell ringing was to alarm the Colonists, not warn the British?

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think at any point in the ride, it was Revere's mission to alert the British.
    She never said it was. It's your complete lack of historical knowledge of the period that makes you believe that she was saying that.


    He got captured, he lied to them so they wouldn't go to Lexington or Concord I believe. He wasn't intending to say anything about the arms or the Revolutionary Army taking them out.
    Well, actually, he didn't lie. Why did he tell them what he knew? I don't know. Maybe he was hoping to make them think they were operating against superior forces and perhaps buy some time for the militia. it appears that that may be the case and that it may have worked, since the British didn't assail the militia until the next morning.

    BTW, there was no, "Revolutionary Army". The first official armed force of the United States was The Marine Corps and it wasn't establish until 10 November of 1775. Good thing Palin didn't say something like that, you'd be screaming about how stupid she is.


    It wasn't so much the 2nd amendment sort of argument that her initial statement makes it seem. As I said, what she said was close enough to a truth that others can interpret her as recounting history. But it's not 100%, and it was spoken fairly poorly.
    Did she say anything about the 2nd Amendment? Or, is that just another out of context thing by the Palin-haters?

    In the end, with all the conservatives out there; there has to be one which holds to values as people claim Palin does and can speak well enough to clearly convey meaning. You should find that person.
    I think the bigger problem, is that there are far too many people in this country who are historically handcapped. Alotta the folks on this thread, sadly, fall into that catagory.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    But that's not what she said. You have to twist her words to mean something other than what she actually said in order to make her correct. You're no different than the cultists who editted the Conservapedia and Wikipedia sites in their vein attempt to alter history to make her correct when she's not.

    Read it again ... pay close attention to the highlighted word ...
    "He who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms BY ringing those bells"
    She idiotically stated that Paul Revere warned the British that they were not going to be taking away our arms BY ringing those bells.

    How did ringing bells warn the British they were not going to take our arms? And are you aware that the bell ringing was to alarm the Colonists, not warn the British?
    You're spinnin' your wheels my friend.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    We'll just assume you skipped over the posts where it was shown that Paul Rever did indeed 'warn the British' about taking our arms, stored in Concord. I know you'd never look at factual evidence and simply, ignore it.

    Sure, it was not the original intent of the ride, or even part of the mission officially. But it did happen, and apparently Palin knew it. SHe flubbed the telling seriously badly of course, but she had part of the basic idea of that correct.

    Hatred blinds people I suppose.


    BTW... did Palin ever actually 'say' 2nd amendment at the time? Or is that waht people read into her comments about 'taking our arms'?
    He warned after capture, but it was not his purpose or intent. Nor is it how she said it in context. Her claim was inaccurate as she presented, . . . in context.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think at any point in the ride, it was Revere's mission to alert the British. He got captured, he lied to them so they wouldn't go to Lexington or Concord I believe. He wasn't intending to say anything about the arms or the Revolutionary Army taking them out, not as the initial purpose of the ride. These are things done after capture. It wasn't so much the 2nd amendment sort of argument that her initial statement makes it seem. As I said, what she said was close enough to a truth that others can interpret her as recounting history. But it's not 100%, and it was spoken fairly poorly.

    In the end, with all the conservatives out there; there has to be one which holds to values as people claim Palin does and can speak well enough to clearly convey meaning. You should find that person.
    Nicely said and very good advice.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess you don't understand what, "cached", means in the context of Revere's words?

    I'll explain for you: when he mentions, "cache", he's talking about weapons. When he says that, "five hundred Americans would be there in short time", he meant that 500 Colonist militiamen would show up at that spot to collect those arms and be ready for action.
    Holy ****!!

    He didn't mention a "cache" either.

    Why are you making **** up if Palin was right?

    And the spot the were at was not in Concord where the Colonists' weapons were. He wasn't talking about weapons, nor would he. He would have to be a traitor to inform the British where there weapons were stored. Why are you Conservatives so willing to paint a true patriot like Paul Revere as a traitor just so you can make Palin appear slightly less of an idiot like she did when she mangled his heroic legend?

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    We'll just assume you skipped over the posts where it was shown that Paul Rever did indeed 'warn the British' about taking our arms, stored in Concord. I know you'd never look at factual evidence and simply, ignore it.

    Sure, it was not the original intent of the ride, or even part of the mission officially. But it did happen, and apparently Palin knew it. SHe flubbed the telling seriously badly of course, but she had part of the basic idea of that correct.

    Hatred blinds people I suppose.


    BTW... did Palin ever actually 'say' 2nd amendment at the time? Or is that waht people read into her comments about 'taking our arms'?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He warned after capture, but it was not his purpose or intent. Nor is it how she said it in context. Her claim was inaccurate as she presented, . . . in context.
    You do realized we just agreed on all that... right?

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She never said it was. It's your complete lack of historical knowledge of the period that makes you believe that she was saying that.
    Well if Ad hoc is all you got, then by all means do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, actually, he didn't lie. Why did he tell them what he knew? I don't know. Maybe he was hoping to make them think they were operating against superior forces and perhaps buy some time for the militia. it appears that that may be the case and that it may have worked, since the British didn't assail the militia until the next morning.

    BTW, there was no, "Revolutionary Army". The first official armed force of the United States was The Marine Corps and it wasn't establish until 10 November of 1775. Good thing Palin didn't say something like that, you'd be screaming about how stupid she is.
    I don't need this to know how stupid Palin is. Regardless, what he said was never a point of the mission. The initial comments made it seem as if it was and made it seem as if this were more an analogy to our current 2nd amanedment debates.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did she say anything about the 2nd Amendment? Or, is that just another out of context thing by the Palin-haters?
    It's called context, for those who don't wish to be so partisan to be blind about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think the bigger problem, is that there are far too many people in this country who are historically handcapped. Alotta the folks on this thread, sadly, fall into that catagory.
    I think the biggest problem is that there are a lot of blind partisan folk out there unwilling to accept criticism of the people they endorse and thus make long, drawn out defenses which don't address the original context as to distract from the underlying issue of something being said which isn't fully true. But whatever, take your pick.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Holy ****!!

    He didn't mention a "cache" either.

    Why are you making **** up if Palin was right?

    And the spot the were at was not in Concord where the Colonists' weapons were. He wasn't talking about weapons, nor would he. He would have to be a traitor to inform the British where there weapons were stored. Why are you Conservatives so willing to paint a true patriot like Paul Revere as a traitor just so you can make Palin appear slightly less of an idiot like she did when she mangled his heroic legend?
    So, those, "five hundred Americans", were unarmed? And, the British didn't come to disarm the militia?

    You need to seriously get a grip.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: Paul Revere's Ride to Protect the Second Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post

    Sure, it was not the original intent of the ride
    Accordng to her, it was...

    "Part of his ride was to warn the British" ~ Sarah Palin

    No, part of his ride was not to warn the British. She got that wrong too and her acolytes simply can't accept that.

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