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    Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    President Obama's solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn't like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money.
    Neal Kumar Katyal, the acting solicitor general, made the argument under questioning before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit in Cincinnati, which was considering an appeal by the Thomas More Law Center. (Listen to oral arguments here.) The three-judge panel, which was comprised of two Republican-appointed judges and a Democratic-appointed judge, expressed more skepticism about the government's defense of the health care law than the Fourth Circuit panel that heard the Virginia-based Obamacare challenge last month in Richmond. The Fourth Circuit panel was made up entirely of Democrats, and two of the judges were appointed by Obama himself.


    Read more at the Washington Examiner: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money | Philip Klein | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    The exact exchange went like this:

    “If we’re going to play that game, I think that game can be played here as well, because after all, the minimum coverage provision only kicks in after people have earned a minimum amount of income,” Kaytal said. “So it’s a penalty on earning a certain amount of income and self insuring. It’s not just on self insuring on its own. So I guess one could say, just as the restaurant owner could depart the market in Heart of Atlanta Motel, someone doesn’t need to earn that much income. I think both are kind of fanciful and I think get at…”
    Sutton interjected, “That wasn’t in a single speech given in Congress about this...the idea that the solution if you don’t like it is make a little less money.”
    The so-called “hardship exemption” in the health care law is limited, and only applies to people who cannot obtain insurance for less than 8 percent of their income. So earning less isn't necessarily a solution, because it could then qualify the person for government-subsidized insurance which could make their contribution to premiums fall below the 8 percent threshold.


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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    It reminds me of a joke.

    A guy is unexpectedly called in the office of his Boss, and the Boss asks him to take a seat. Joe looks a little nervous not knowing what this is all about... so the Boss starts quick and with a smile... Joe, you've been with us 2-years now and you've been an exceptional performer, a good team player, and a tremendous representative for the company and all we stand for. I'm going to give you a raise for it is well deserved. The boss looks at Joe who is looking at the floor wringing his hands. The Boss notices Joe isn't excited in the least. So after a few uncomfortable moments, the Boss asks... Joe... what's wrong? I thought you'd be very happy about the increase.

    Joe looks at the floor, the walls anywhere except the eyes of his Boss and says... well Boss... you see... I get free health care, dental care for the family, my kids are on the free school lunch program, I qualify for almost free membership at the local gym... and with this raise I lose all that plus a few other perks. The boss looks at Joe, and says OK Joe... I won't give you the raise, but if your work begins to slip, you're going to get one!

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    Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Kaytal responded by noting that the there's a provision in the health care law that allows people to avoid the mandate.

    “If we’re going to play that game, I think that game can be played here as well, because after all, the minimum coverage provision only kicks in after people have earned a minimum amount of income,” Kaytal said. “So it’s a penalty on earning a certain amount of income and self insuring. It’s not just on self insuring on its own. So I guess one could say, just as the restaurant owner could depart the market in Heart of Atlanta Motel, someone doesn’t need to earn that much income...
    Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money | Philip Klein | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    -Brilliant- defense. So glad this guy is on The Obama's side.

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    And there are people that believe that Obama is actually going to get re-elected.

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And there are people that believe that Obama is actually going to get re-elected.
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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And there are people that believe that Obama is actually going to get re-elected.
    As P.T. Barum said: No one ever went broke underestimating the American public.

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

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    Is that part of his economic stimulus package?
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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    He wasn't suggesting that people actually do this, only pointing out that the idea that there is "no choice" isn't accurate.

    I would have just pointed out that if you don't want insurance you can just pay the $695.
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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He wasn't suggesting that people actually do this, only pointing out that the idea that there is "no choice" isn't accurate.
    I see... so, if "any" choice is available, the argument of "no" choice cannot stand?
    Consider this -very- carefully...

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obamacare, the crown jewel of liberal arrogance
    You mean that individual mandate that was supported by arrogant liberals such as John McCain, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, Alan Simpson, Dick Lugar, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Mitch Daniels, Newt Gingrich, Jim DeMint, and Orrin Hatch? Right up until the exact moment a Democrat coopted their idea?

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