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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You mean that individual mandate that was supported by arrogant liberals such as John McCain, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, Alan Simpson, Dick Lugar, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Mitch Daniels, Newt Gingrich, Jim DeMint, and Orrin Hatch? Right up until the exact moment a Democrat coopted their idea?
    Nope, I'm sure it's a totally principled objection.
    Correct me if I am wrong -- but there's more to "Obamacare" than the individual mandate - right?
    Isn't it then possible to sarcastically refer to "Obamacare" as "the crown jewel of liberal arrogance", while at the same time supporting the individual mandate?

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong -- but there's more to "Obamacare" than the individual mandate - right?
    Isn't it then possible to sarcastically refer to "Obamacare" as "the crown jewel of liberal arrogance", while at the same time supporting the individual mandate?
    Yes, it's possible. I've just never heard anyone actually do that. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to Republican criticisms of the Affordable Care Act if I thought for one second that they were sincere. But it's not the fact that they're criticizing it that I find so disgusting, it's the way in which they're doing so. If someone wants to argue that the government shouldn't cover everyone, fair enough. I disagree, but that's a legitimate argument for people to decide. But that's almost never the argument that is actually used. Instead, we hear about how the individual mandate is unconstitutional (often from politicians who supported an individual mandate themselves just a couple years ago). Or we hear about how horrible it is to cut Medicare spending (often from politicians who have dedicated their entire careers to dismantling Medicare). Or we hear about how cost control mechanisms are really "death panels" (often from politicians who supposedly want to control costs). It's THAT kind of **** that disgusts me.
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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Instead, we hear about how the individual mandate is unconstitutional (often from politicians who supported an individual mandate themselves just a couple years ago).
    It is possible to support things you think - or even know - are unconstitutional. That you supported it at one time doesn't mean you are wrong when you describe it as unconstitutional.

    That said, I don't really care who supported it in the past - the constitutional question is legitimate.

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    The top sixth circuit advocate in Cincinnati -a dem I know well-noted that the plaintiff-appellant did well (TMLC)

    I heard the arguments. The ASG was good but Sutton asked some tough questions



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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    He actually said the mandate is a penalty on making a living? Can I get that on a bumper sticker? Anybody in promotional printing, here?
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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You mean that individual mandate that was supported by arrogant liberals such as John McCain, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, Alan Simpson, Dick Lugar, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Mitch Daniels, Newt Gingrich, Jim DeMint, and Orrin Hatch? Right up until the exact moment a Democrat coopted their idea?

    Nope, I'm sure it's a totally principled objection.
    AWW look at you, tying to be witty.

    I said OBAMACARE, as a whole, did I pull out anyone point of it try and make a point? Nope.

    And for the record, anyone that supports the Government forcing free people to buy a good or service, is wrong. And arrogant.
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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    As P.T. Barum said: No one ever went broke underestimating the American public.
    So, as a Libbo, you think that Americans are really that stupid?

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He wasn't suggesting that people actually do this, only pointing out that the idea that there is "no choice" isn't accurate.

    I would have just pointed out that if you don't want insurance you can just pay the $695.
    Yeah, the choices are: 1) pay up and 2) be too poor to pay up.

    I hope to hell that Obama runs on that platform next year.

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    This is actually a point I'd really like to understand more, it sounds really intriguing. But why is it when something actually valid and worrisome comes along, something which could actually change people's minds, people use it NOT to do that, they use it instead to generalize and insult their opposition? Honestly I think no one here has any intention of convincing anyone else of anything, their whole goal is to feed their ego by insulting and mocking others.

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    Re: Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    John McCain, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush, Alan Simpson, Dick Lugar, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Mitch Daniels, Newt Gingrich, Jim DeMint, and Orrin Hatch
    they were clearly not speaking on behalf of the american people

    Right up until the exact moment a Democrat coopted their idea
    it wasn't coopted, it was CRAMMED

    Nope, I'm sure it's a totally principled objection
    obamacare is a pig

    not a lotta principle when it comes to pigs

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