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Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

Jeezy said:
The liberal mentality:

  • Changes to welfare, healthcare? NO! We have an obligation! These people can't help themselves!
  • Staying in Iraq? Nah. If those people can't help themselves, then **** 'em.
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There's a couple of explanations for this.

1) Some liberals simply view problems at home as more significant problems abroad. Help ourselves first, before we help others, ya know?

2) I used to consider myself a Wilsonian liberal in terms of foreign intervention - but I supported interventions in places like Rwanda, Darfur, etc., like places that actually need help. Iraq doesn't fit on that list, and that's why a lot of liberals were against the invasion in the first place.

So on the surface it might seem hypocritical and inconsistent, but there's logic behind it.
 
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tessaesque said:
So wait, we did something that HELPS the entire world economy and prevents price fixing?
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By ignoring another country's property rights to do with their property as they see fit. You probably wouldn't be opposed then to another country invading us for regime change then so they could better control our resources than would you?
 
Catawba said:
By ignoring another country's property rights to do with their property as they see fit. You probably wouldn't be opposed then to another country invading us for regime change then so they could better control our resources than would you?
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So you're telling me that nobody in Iraq at any point in time authorized us to do what we did with the oil? Even retroactively?
 
OscarB63 said:
my only concern is that I don't want to have to go back over there AGAIN in another 10 years to start the same damn process over.
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That's the great thing. We don't have to. We can learn from our mistakes and understand that this sort of interventionism only makes us poorer.
 
StillBallin75 said:
No, I mean the potential for Islamic terrorist elements that could potentially thrive on the potential political and social instability of a post-American occupation Iraq.
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YOu mean get it back to where it was before our invasion and regime change? Unfortunately, freedom has to be fought for by the people themselves. I say let the Iraqi people decide on their own how they wish their country to be governed. Picking sides in a civil war is not something we can continue to afford to support.
 
tessaesque said:
So you're telling me that nobody in Iraq at any point in time authorized us to do what we did with the oil? Even retroactively?
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Yes, the new corrupt regime we helped set up certainly did, that was the whole purpose of our invasion and regime change, and why we still protect them from their own people 8 years later.
 
Catawba said:
Yes, the new corrupt regime we helped set up certainly did, that was the whole purpose of our invasion and regime change, and why we still protect them from their own people 8 years later.
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Right. Not buying it. If you'd like to provide links or credible sourcing I'd be interested in reading it. All I come up with are bloggers and conspiracies.
 
I'm just surprised that it took so long for the "It's all about the Oil" mantra to pop up ;)
 
OscarB63 said:
I'm just surprised that it took so long for the "It's all about the Oil" mantra to pop up ;)
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Me too, its always been about the oil, as the lack of any threat to the US whatsoever clearly documented.
 
Catawba said:
Me too, its always been about the oil, as the lack of any threat to the US whatsoever clearly documented.
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I think the decision to go into Iraq had a lot more to do with incompetence and less to do with oil, but that's just me
 
tessaesque said:
Right. Not buying it. If you'd like to provide links or credible sourcing I'd be interested in reading it. All I come up with are bloggers and conspiracies.
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The reasons for the Iraq war were clearly laid out before the Saudi's 9/11 attack on the US:

"Over the past year, Iraq has effectively become a swing producer, turning its taps on and off when it has felt such action was in its strategic interest to do so."

"Review policies towards Iraq with the aim to lowering anti-Americanism in the Middle East and elsewhere, and set the groundwork to eventually ease Iraqi oil-field investment restrictions. Iraq remains a destabilizing influence to U.S. allies in the Middle East, as well as to regional and global order, and to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export program to manipulate oil markets. This would display his personal power, enhance his image as a “Pan-Arab” leader supporting the Palestinians against Israel, and pressure others for a lifting of economic sanctions against his regime.
The United States should conduct an immediate policy review towards Iraq, including military, energy, economic and political/diplomatic assessments. "

"Middle East Gulf crude oil currently makes up around 25 percent of world oil supply, but could rise to 30-40 percent during the next decade as the region’s key producers pursue higher investments to capture expanding demand for oil in Asia and the developing world. If political factors were to block the development of new oil fields in the Gulf, the ramifications for world oil markets could be quite severe."

"This reopening is important and should be on the bilateral U.S. agenda with these countries. The Department of State, together with the National Security Council, Department of Energy, and Department of Commerce, should develop a strategic plan to encourage reopening to foreign investment in these important states of the Middle East Gulf."

"More oil could likely be brought into the marketplace in the coming years if oil-field development could be enhanced by participation of U.S. companies in countries where such investments are currently banned"

http://www.rice.edu/energy/publications/docs/TaskForceReport_Final.pdf
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think the decision to go into Iraq had a lot more to do with incompetence and less to do with oil, but that's just me
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I just find it hard to believe that IF it was all about the oil that we haven't been shipping Iraqi oil into the US by the boatload.

saying Iraq is about the oil is like accusing someone of hating Rosie O'Donnel because she is so skinny.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think the decision to go into Iraq had a lot more to do with incompetence and less to do with oil, but that's just me
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If I were not aware of Cheney's Oil Task Force Report prior to our invasion, and if I had not been aware of how we had previously completely destroyed Iraq's military capability in the Persian Gulf War, followed by our ten years of sanctions, I might have come to the same conclusion.
 
Catawba said:
The reasons for the Iraq war were clearly laid out before the Saudi's 9/11 attack on the US:

"Over the past year, Iraq has effectively become a swing producer, turning its taps on and off when it has felt such action was in its strategic interest to do so."

"Review policies towards Iraq with the aim to lowering anti-Americanism in the Middle East and elsewhere, and set the groundwork to eventually ease Iraqi oil-field investment restrictions. Iraq remains a destabilizing influence to U.S. allies in the Middle East, as well as to regional and global order, and to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein has also demonstrated a willingness to threaten to use the oil weapon and to use his own export program to manipulate oil markets. This would display his personal power, enhance his image as a “Pan-Arab” leader supporting the Palestinians against Israel, and pressure others for a lifting of economic sanctions against his regime.
The United States should conduct an immediate policy review towards Iraq, including military, energy, economic and political/diplomatic assessments. "

"Middle East Gulf crude oil currently makes up around 25 percent of world oil supply, but could rise to 30-40 percent during the next decade as the region’s key producers pursue higher investments to capture expanding demand for oil in Asia and the developing world. If political factors were to block the development of new oil fields in the Gulf, the ramifications for world oil markets could be quite severe."

"This reopening is important and should be on the bilateral U.S. agenda with these countries. The Department of State, together with the National Security Council, Department of Energy, and Department of Commerce, should develop a strategic plan to encourage reopening to foreign investment in these important states of the Middle East Gulf."

"More oil could likely be brought into the marketplace in the coming years if oil-field development could be enhanced by participation of U.S. companies in countries where such investments are currently banned"

http://www.rice.edu/energy/publications/docs/TaskForceReport_Final.pdf
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Not to split hairs, but that's a suggestive, op-ed style piece...
 
OscarB63 said:
I just find it hard to believe that IF it was all about the oil that we haven't been shipping Iraqi oil into the US by the boatload.
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Then you haven't read the Bush Administration report that I referenced above, and you are unaware that Iraq posed no military threat to the US in 2003.
 
tessaesque said:
Not to split hairs, but that's a suggestive, op-ed style piece...
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And I hate to split hairs also, but you do not know what you are talking about. It is the official Bush Administration report:

STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES FOR THE 21ST CENTURY
REPORT OF AN INDEPENDENT TASK FORCE

COSPONSORED BY THE JAMES A. BAKER III INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY OF RICE UNIVERSITY AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

These were the Contributors to the Report I referenced above:

TASK FORCE MEMBERS
"ODEH ABURDENE is managing partner of Capital Trust S.A. He was a manager in the International division of the American Security Bank in Washington, D.C., and served as a Vice President with the First National Bank of Chicago.
GRAHAM ALLISON is Director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government and Douglas Dillon Professor of Government. In the first term of the Clinton administration, he served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy and Plans.
JOSEPH C. BELL is a Partner with Hogan & Hartson, L.L.P. He was previously U.S. Designated Representative for the International Energy Agency, Dispute Settlement Center; Assistant General Counsel of International Affairs for the Federal Energy Administration (1974-77); and the Cabinet Task Force on Oil Import Controls (1969).
PATRICK CLAWSON is Director for Research at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy and was previously a Senior Economist at the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the National Defense University. He has written or edited twelve books about the Middle East.
FRANCES D. COOK heads The Ballard Group LLC, a business facilitation service in Washington. She is a three time former ambassador, including twice to energy-exporting countries. She twice served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, where her specialty was political-military affairs.
JACK L. COPELAND is Chairman of Copeland Consulting International, an investment and geopolitical advisory firm.
CHARLES B. CURTIS is Senior Adviser to the United Nations Foundation and the President of NTI, a newly formed foundation organized to reduce the contemporary threat from weapons of mass destruction. He has previously served as the Deputy Secretary and the Undersecretary of the U.S. Department of Energy, the Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the Chief Energy Counsel of the U.S. House of Representatives' Energy and Commerce Committee.
TOBY T. GATI is Senior International Adviser at Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, L.L.P. She served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Russia, Ukraine and the Eurasian States at the National Security Council in 1993, and then as Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research until May 1997.
LUIS GIUSTI currently serves as Non-Executive Director of “Shell” Transport and Trading, and as Senior Adviser to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Formerly, he was Chairman and CEO of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A.
DAVID L. GOLDWYN is the principal of Goldwyn International Strategies, LLC, an international consulting firm. He Served as Assistant Secretary of Energy for International Affairs and Counselor to the Secretary of Energy, Senior Adviser to the Permanent Representative to the United Nations and Chief of Staff for the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs under President Bill Clinton.
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MICHEL T. HALBOUTY is an internationally renowned earth scientist and engineer whose career and accomplishments in the fields of geology and petroleum engineering have earned him the recognition as one of the world's outstanding geo-scientists.
AMY MYERS JAFFE is the senior energy adviser at the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy of Rice University and President of AMJ Energy Consulting. Formerly she was the senior economist and Middle East Analyst for Petroleum Intelligence Weekly. Jaffe is the author of numerous articles on oil geopolitics, the Middle East, and the Caspian basin region.
MELANIE KENDERDINE is the Vice President of the Gas Technology Institute. Previously she was former Director of Policy at the Department of Energy, Senior Policy adviser to the Secretary of Energy for oil and gas, Deputy Assistant Secretary at Department of Energy, and Chief of Staff to Congressman Bill Richardson.
JOSEPH P. KENNEDY II is Chairman and President of Citizens Energy Corporation, a non-profit firm he founded in 1979 to provide low-cost heating oil to the poor and the elderly. He left Citizens in 1986 to serve six terms in the U.S. House of Representatives and returned to Citizens Energy full-time in 1999 and serves on the boards of companies in the health care, telecommunications, and energy industries.
MARIE-JOSEE KRAVIS is an Economist and Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute. She specializes in trade and international finance related issues and serves on the Secretary of Energy's Advisory Board. She also sits on the board of The Ford Motor Company, Vivendi Universal, U.S.A Networks, Hasbro Inc., Hollinger International, and the CIBC.
KENNETH LAY is Chairman and CEO of Enron Corporation. Lay also was CEO of Enron from 1985 until February 2001.
JOHN H. LICHTBLAU is Chairman and CEO of Petroleum Industry Research Foundation, Inc. (PIRINC). He has been a member of the National Petroleum Council (Advisory Council to the Secretary of Energy) since 1968 and is also a member of the International Associates of Energy Economics.
JOHN A. MANZONI is Regional President for British Petroleum in the eastern United States. Formerly he was Group Vice President for the Refining and Marketing business, and before that he headed up the BP side of the BP/Amoco merger directorate.
THOMAS F. MCLARTY III is Vice Chairman of Kissinger McLarty Associates, an international strategic advisory firm. He was President Bill Clinton's first Chief of Staff and also served as Counselor to the President and Special Envoy for the Americas. Prior to joining the Clinton administration, McLarty was Chairman and CEO of Arkla, Inc.
ERIC D.K MELBY is a Senior fellow with the Forum for International Policy and a principal in the Scowcroft Group. He handled economic and energy issues on the National Security Council staff from 1987-93 and was Special Assistant to the Executive Director of the International Energy Agency from 1981-85. Has also worked in the Department of State and Agency for International Development.
SARAH MILLER is Editorial Vice President and Group Editor of the Energy Intelligence Group. She was European Director of McGraw-Hill News and London bureau chief and energy correspondent for McGraw-Hill World News.
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STEVEN L. MILLER is Chairman of the board of directors, President, and CEO of Shell Oil Company. He is a member of the National Petroleum Council and the Business Roundtable.
ERNEST J. MONIZ is a Professor of Physics and former Head of the Department of Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He served as Associate Director for Science in the Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President (1995-97) and as Undersecretary for Energy, Science, and Environment in the Department of Energy (1997-2001). At the Department of Energy, he also served as the Secretary's Special Negotiator for Russian Programs.
EDWARD L. MORSE is Executive Advisor at Hess Energy Trading co., LLC. He joined HETCO in April 1999 after more than a decade as Publisher of Petroleum Intelligence Weekly. From 1978 to 1981 Morse was at the Department of State, where he served as Deputy Assistant Secretary for international energy policy. A frequent commentator on oil market trends, both in writing and for broadcast media, Morse is the author or co-author of four books on politics, finance, energy, and international affairs.
SHIRLEY NEFF is an Economist for the Democrats on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Prior to joining the committee staff, she was an economist for a state public utility commission and for an oil and gas company and an electricity utility.
DAVID O’REILLY is Chairman of the Board and CEO of ChevronTexaco. Earlier, O’Reilly was one of the company’s two Vice Chairmen, responsible for Chevron’s worldwide exploration and production and corporate human relations.
KENNETH RANDOLPH is General Counsel and Secretary of Dynegy, Inc., responsible for all of Dynegy's legal and regulatory activities. Prior to joining Dynegy, he served as an energy attorney for the law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld in Washington, D.C.
PETER ROSENTHAL is Chief Correspondent on energy and commodities for Bridge News. GARY N. ROSS is Chief Executive Officer of the PIRA Energy Group, a New York-based international
energy consultancy retained by some three hundred companies in more than thirty countries.
ED ROTHSCHILD is Principal at the consulting firm of Podesta/Mattoon in Washington, DC. Formerly the Energy Policy Director of Citizen Action and consumer advocate on energy matters from 1971- 97, he is also the author of numerous reports and studies on natural gas and oil pricing issues, competition, and concentration in the petroleum industry.
JEFFERSON B. SEABRIGHT is Vice President of Policy Planning for Texaco, Inc. He was formerly the Executive Director of the White House Task Force on Climate Change, Director of the Office of Energy, Environment & Technology, and U.S. Agency for International Development.
ADAM SIEMINSKI is the Director and Global Energy Strategist at Deutsche Banc Alex. Brown. From 1988-97, he was a Senior Equity Analyst for NatWest Securities, covering the major U.S.-based international oil companies.
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MATTHEW SIMMONS is President of Simmons & Company International, a specialized energy investment bank. He is a Member of the National Petroleum Council and Bush-Cheney Energy Transition Advisory Committee.
RONALD SOLIGO is a Professor of Economics at Rice University with a specialty in development and energy economics. He has authored a number of studies on energy related topics for the James A Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University.
MICHAEL D. TUSIANI has been Chairman and CEO of Poten & Partners since 1983. Prior to joining Poten in 1973, he was employed by Zapata Naess Shipping Company. He has written two books: The Petroleum Shipping Industry–A Non-Technical Overview and The Petroleum Shipping Industry–Operations and Practices.
PHILIP K. VERLEGER is President of PK Verleger LLC and a Principal with the Brattle Group. He served as an energy adviser in the Ford and Carter administrations and advised President Ronald Reagan on energy issues. He is the author of two books and numerous articles on the causes of energy price volatility.
ENZO VISCUSI is Group Senior Vice President and Representative for the Americas of Eni, the Italian- based integrated energy company, where he also serves as Chairman of Agip Petroleum Co. Inc.
CHUCK WATSON is the Chariman and CEO of Houston Dynegy Inc., a leading provider of energy and communications solutions. He established NGC Corp, Dynegy’s predecessor, in 1985 and served as President until becoming Chariman and CEO in 1989.
WILLIAM H. WHITE is President of the Wedge Group Inc., a diversified investment firm with subsidiaries in the oil services, engineering, hotel, and real estate business. He is Chairman of the Houston Word Affairs Council and served as deputy secretary and CEO of the U.S. Department of Energy from 1993 to 1995.
DANIEL YERGIN is Chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. He is author of The Prize, for which he received the Pulitzer Prize, co-author of The Commanding Heights, and recipient of the U.S. Energy Award.
MINE YÜCEL is Senior Economist and Assistant Vice President, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. He is a member of the U.S. Association of Energy Economics and the author of numerous articles on energy and the economy."
 
Catawba said:
Then you haven't read the Bush Administration report that I referenced above, and you are unaware that Iraq posed no military threat to the US in 2003.
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if it was about the oil...where is the oil? oh wait...it's still in freakin Iraq
 
OscarB63 said:
if it was about the oil...where is the oil? oh wait...it's still in freakin Iraq
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Been waitin' for my free Iraqi oil card now for 10 years...



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Ockham said:
Been waitin' for my free Iraqi oil card now for 10 years...



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Well we should get a little something for the effort, right? I mean, we've spent trillions of dollars on them to bring them democracy and freedom. Maybe they should pay up, this **** don't come free.
 
Catawba said:
And I hate to split hairs also, but you do not know what you are talking about. It is the official Bush Administration report:

STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES FOR THE 21ST CENTURY
REPORT OF AN INDEPENDENT TASK FORCE

COSPONSORED BY THE JAMES A. BAKER III INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY OF RICE UNIVERSITY AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

These were the Contributors to the Report I referenced above:

TASK FORCE MEMBERS
"ODEH ABURDENE is managing partner of Capital Trust S.A. He was a manager in the International division of the American Security Bank in Washington, D.C., and served as a Vice President with the First National Bank of Chicago.
GRAHAM ALLISON is Director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government and Douglas Dillon Professor of Government. In the first term of the Clinton administration, he served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy and Plans.
JOSEPH C. BELL is a Partner with Hogan & Hartson, L.L.P. He was previously U.S. Designated Representative for the International Energy Agency, Dispute Settlement Center; Assistant General Counsel of International Affairs for the Federal Energy Administration (1974-77); and the Cabinet Task Force on Oil Import Controls (1969).
PATRICK CLAWSON is Director for Research at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy and was previously a Senior Economist at the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the National Defense University. He has written or edited twelve books about the Middle East.
FRANCES D. COOK heads The Ballard Group LLC, a business facilitation service in Washington. She is a three time former ambassador, including twice to energy-exporting countries. She twice served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, where her specialty was political-military affairs.
JACK L. COPELAND is Chairman of Copeland Consulting International, an investment and geopolitical advisory firm.
CHARLES B. CURTIS is Senior Adviser to the United Nations Foundation and the President of NTI, a newly formed foundation organized to reduce the contemporary threat from weapons of mass destruction. He has previously served as the Deputy Secretary and the Undersecretary of the U.S. Department of Energy, the Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the Chief Energy Counsel of the U.S. House of Representatives' Energy and Commerce Committee.
TOBY T. GATI is Senior International Adviser at Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, L.L.P. She served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Russia, Ukraine and the Eurasian States at the National Security Council in 1993, and then as Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research until May 1997.
LUIS GIUSTI currently serves as Non-Executive Director of “Shell” Transport and Trading, and as Senior Adviser to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Formerly, he was Chairman and CEO of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A.
DAVID L. GOLDWYN is the principal of Goldwyn International Strategies, LLC, an international consulting firm. He Served as Assistant Secretary of Energy for International Affairs and Counselor to the Secretary of Energy, Senior Adviser to the Permanent Representative to the United Nations and Chief of Staff for the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs under President Bill Clinton.
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MICHEL T. HALBOUTY is an internationally renowned earth scientist and engineer whose career and accomplishments in the fields of geology and petroleum engineering have earned him the recognition as one of the world's outstanding geo-scientists.
AMY MYERS JAFFE is the senior energy adviser at the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy of Rice University and President of AMJ Energy Consulting. Formerly she was the senior economist and Middle East Analyst for Petroleum Intelligence Weekly. Jaffe is the author of numerous articles on oil geopolitics, the Middle East, and the Caspian basin region.
MELANIE KENDERDINE is the Vice President of the Gas Technology Institute. Previously she was former Director of Policy at the Department of Energy, Senior Policy adviser to the Secretary of Energy for oil and gas, Deputy Assistant Secretary at Department of Energy, and Chief of Staff to Congressman Bill Richardson.
JOSEPH P. KENNEDY II is Chairman and President of Citizens Energy Corporation, a non-profit firm he founded in 1979 to provide low-cost heating oil to the poor and the elderly. He left Citizens in 1986 to serve six terms in the U.S. House of Representatives and returned to Citizens Energy full-time in 1999 and serves on the boards of companies in the health care, telecommunications, and energy industries.
MARIE-JOSEE KRAVIS is an Economist and Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute. She specializes in trade and international finance related issues and serves on the Secretary of Energy's Advisory Board. She also sits on the board of The Ford Motor Company, Vivendi Universal, U.S.A Networks, Hasbro Inc., Hollinger International, and the CIBC.
KENNETH LAY is Chairman and CEO of Enron Corporation. Lay also was CEO of Enron from 1985 until February 2001.
JOHN H. LICHTBLAU is Chairman and CEO of Petroleum Industry Research Foundation, Inc. (PIRINC). He has been a member of the National Petroleum Council (Advisory Council to the Secretary of Energy) since 1968 and is also a member of the International Associates of Energy Economics.
JOHN A. MANZONI is Regional President for British Petroleum in the eastern United States. Formerly he was Group Vice President for the Refining and Marketing business, and before that he headed up the BP side of the BP/Amoco merger directorate.
THOMAS F. MCLARTY III is Vice Chairman of Kissinger McLarty Associates, an international strategic advisory firm. He was President Bill Clinton's first Chief of Staff and also served as Counselor to the President and Special Envoy for the Americas. Prior to joining the Clinton administration, McLarty was Chairman and CEO of Arkla, Inc.
ERIC D.K MELBY is a Senior fellow with the Forum for International Policy and a principal in the Scowcroft Group. He handled economic and energy issues on the National Security Council staff from 1987-93 and was Special Assistant to the Executive Director of the International Energy Agency from 1981-85. Has also worked in the Department of State and Agency for International Development.
SARAH MILLER is Editorial Vice President and Group Editor of the Energy Intelligence Group. She was European Director of McGraw-Hill News and London bureau chief and energy correspondent for McGraw-Hill World News.
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STEVEN L. MILLER is Chairman of the board of directors, President, and CEO of Shell Oil Company. He is a member of the National Petroleum Council and the Business Roundtable.
ERNEST J. MONIZ is a Professor of Physics and former Head of the Department of Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He served as Associate Director for Science in the Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President (1995-97) and as Undersecretary for Energy, Science, and Environment in the Department of Energy (1997-2001). At the Department of Energy, he also served as the Secretary's Special Negotiator for Russian Programs.
EDWARD L. MORSE is Executive Advisor at Hess Energy Trading co., LLC. He joined HETCO in April 1999 after more than a decade as Publisher of Petroleum Intelligence Weekly. From 1978 to 1981 Morse was at the Department of State, where he served as Deputy Assistant Secretary for international energy policy. A frequent commentator on oil market trends, both in writing and for broadcast media, Morse is the author or co-author of four books on politics, finance, energy, and international affairs.
SHIRLEY NEFF is an Economist for the Democrats on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Prior to joining the committee staff, she was an economist for a state public utility commission and for an oil and gas company and an electricity utility.
DAVID O’REILLY is Chairman of the Board and CEO of ChevronTexaco. Earlier, O’Reilly was one of the company’s two Vice Chairmen, responsible for Chevron’s worldwide exploration and production and corporate human relations.
KENNETH RANDOLPH is General Counsel and Secretary of Dynegy, Inc., responsible for all of Dynegy's legal and regulatory activities. Prior to joining Dynegy, he served as an energy attorney for the law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld in Washington, D.C.
PETER ROSENTHAL is Chief Correspondent on energy and commodities for Bridge News. GARY N. ROSS is Chief Executive Officer of the PIRA Energy Group, a New York-based international
energy consultancy retained by some three hundred companies in more than thirty countries.
ED ROTHSCHILD is Principal at the consulting firm of Podesta/Mattoon in Washington, DC. Formerly the Energy Policy Director of Citizen Action and consumer advocate on energy matters from 1971- 97, he is also the author of numerous reports and studies on natural gas and oil pricing issues, competition, and concentration in the petroleum industry.
JEFFERSON B. SEABRIGHT is Vice President of Policy Planning for Texaco, Inc. He was formerly the Executive Director of the White House Task Force on Climate Change, Director of the Office of Energy, Environment & Technology, and U.S. Agency for International Development.
ADAM SIEMINSKI is the Director and Global Energy Strategist at Deutsche Banc Alex. Brown. From 1988-97, he was a Senior Equity Analyst for NatWest Securities, covering the major U.S.-based international oil companies.
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MATTHEW SIMMONS is President of Simmons & Company International, a specialized energy investment bank. He is a Member of the National Petroleum Council and Bush-Cheney Energy Transition Advisory Committee.
RONALD SOLIGO is a Professor of Economics at Rice University with a specialty in development and energy economics. He has authored a number of studies on energy related topics for the James A Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University.
MICHAEL D. TUSIANI has been Chairman and CEO of Poten & Partners since 1983. Prior to joining Poten in 1973, he was employed by Zapata Naess Shipping Company. He has written two books: The Petroleum Shipping Industry–A Non-Technical Overview and The Petroleum Shipping Industry–Operations and Practices.
PHILIP K. VERLEGER is President of PK Verleger LLC and a Principal with the Brattle Group. He served as an energy adviser in the Ford and Carter administrations and advised President Ronald Reagan on energy issues. He is the author of two books and numerous articles on the causes of energy price volatility.
ENZO VISCUSI is Group Senior Vice President and Representative for the Americas of Eni, the Italian- based integrated energy company, where he also serves as Chairman of Agip Petroleum Co. Inc.
CHUCK WATSON is the Chariman and CEO of Houston Dynegy Inc., a leading provider of energy and communications solutions. He established NGC Corp, Dynegy’s predecessor, in 1985 and served as President until becoming Chariman and CEO in 1989.
WILLIAM H. WHITE is President of the Wedge Group Inc., a diversified investment firm with subsidiaries in the oil services, engineering, hotel, and real estate business. He is Chairman of the Houston Word Affairs Council and served as deputy secretary and CEO of the U.S. Department of Energy from 1993 to 1995.
DANIEL YERGIN is Chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. He is author of The Prize, for which he received the Pulitzer Prize, co-author of The Commanding Heights, and recipient of the U.S. Energy Award.
MINE YÜCEL is Senior Economist and Assistant Vice President, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. He is a member of the U.S. Association of Energy Economics and the author of numerous articles on energy and the economy."
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This was an advisory report put together by a task force, none of which were members of the Bush administration at the time. So, in a sense, it was basically the same as the "Independent Debt Panel" that Obama created, right?
 
OscarB63 said:
if it was about the oil...where is the oil? oh wait...it's still in freakin Iraq
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Ockham said:
Been waitin' for my free Iraqi oil card now for 10 years...
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Afraid I can't help those with a reading comprehension problem. Cheney' Task Force said nothing about free oil, they recommended a military approach to the instability of prices brought about by Iraq's Nationalized oil that banned Western oil investment.
 
Ikari said:
Well we should get a little something for the effort, right? I mean, we've spent trillions of dollars on them to bring them democracy and freedom. Maybe they should pay up, this **** don't come free.
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If they had requested we invade them and help set up and protect a new corrupt regime, I would agree.
 
Ikari said:
Well we should get a little something for the effort, right? I mean, we've spent trillions of dollars on them to bring them democracy and freedom. Maybe they should pay up, this **** don't come free.
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Well, since 2002 that's been the narrative, and if someone believed that, yeah. So where's our free oil? I guess there's a thought that says, If they're going to blame you for it anyway, might as well do it. Of course, too late now.... and the chant of "no blood for oil" now is as hollow as it was in 2002 when it was used and ever since.
 
Catawba said:
If they had requested we invade them and help set up and protect a new corrupt regime, I would agree.
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No way. I think this is our way out of debt. Run around giving people democracy and freedom, then charging them for it. Come on....freedom isn't free.
 
tessaesque said:
This was an advisory report put together by a task force, none of which were members of the Bush administration at the time. So, in a sense, it was basically the same as the "Independent Debt Panel" that Obama created, right?
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Right, a Task Force Report commissioned by the VP, not an op/ed piece as you stated claimed earlier.
 
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