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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Right, we invaded them. If anything, we have a larger obligation to them than we did to Germany.
    Well they released us from that obligation when they demanded we leave by Dec 31.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well they released us from that obligation when they demanded we leave by Dec 31.
    And if they don't ask us to extend our stay there is no debate. This whole argument hinges upon their recognition of a need and our acceptance of it.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Except we don't. And the largest benefactors of Iraqi oil restructuring and modernizing were/are India and China. Doesn't benefit us at all for China to have access to cheaper methods of producing energy.
    Before our invasion and regime change in Iraq, Iraqi oil was Nationalized and Western oil was banned from investment in their oil. Now it is not. That is what it was all about. Under the new regime, and our military protection, Western oil is free and safe to help exploit Iraqi oil.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Before our invasion and regime change in Iraq, Iraqi oil was Nationalized and Western oil was banned from investment in their oil. Now it is not. That is what it was all about. Under the new regime, and our military protection, Western oil is free and safe to help exploit Iraqi oil.
    And how exactly has that happened? Further, how does investment harm the Iraqi's? And what investments have been made, outside of infrastructure improvements? And what stake, if any, does the US own in Iraqi oil?
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And if they don't ask us to extend our stay there is no debate. This whole argument hinges upon their recognition of a need and our acceptance of it.
    That is correct. And right now, public sentiment in both countries appear to disfavor the presence of US troops in Iraq beyond the Dec 31 deadline.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Should have thought about that before we removed the government that was keeping Iraq's enemies at bay with bluffs. They've had 8 years to get their **** together. If they haven't done it by now, they never will, and we simply can't afford to keep protecting the government we set up from their own people.
    We've been in Germany since 1945.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And how exactly has that happened? Further, how does investment harm the Iraqi's? And what investments have been made, outside of infrastructure improvements? And what stake, if any, does the US own in Iraqi oil?
    The reasons for the war were laid out in Cheney's task force report on energy before we invaded. They said that Iraq could at anytime shut off or reduce oil output which left the West vulnerable to price spikes, and that they were intentionally underdeveloping their oil resources to keep world oil prices higher.

    Our invasion/regime change and our continued military protection of the new corrupt regime solved that problem.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We've been in Germany since 1945.
    Yes, Germany is another example of our wasteful military spending. Thanks!
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The reasons for the war were laid out in Cheney's task force report on energy before we invaded. They said that Iraq could at anytime shut off or reduce oil output which left the West vulnerable to price spikes, and that they were intentionally underdeveloping their oil resources to keep world oil prices higher.

    Our invasion/regime change and our continued military protection of the new corrupt regime solved that problem.
    So wait, we did something that HELPS the entire world economy and prevents price fixing?
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Iraq war still cost us way more than the funding for NPR and Planned Parenthood that just had to be cut due to our budget woes. By national security do you mean the oil resource in Iraq that we invaded them to control?
    No, I mean the potential for Islamic terrorist elements that could potentially thrive on the potential political and social instability of a post-American occupation Iraq.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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