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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    a presence is fine. 50k troops is not.
    The White House never said anthing about leaving all 50k. From the article:

    The White House is willing to keep 10,000 to 12,000 forces in Iraq for a limited time, according to a senior administration official in Washington. A senior U.S. military official in Baghdad said the administration is weighing what the troops' mission would be before setting a new deadline for them to go home.

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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Iraqis demanded all our troops be out of Iraq by Dec 31 of this year. We have a signed agreement to that effect.
    it's like they've been using training wheels for 3 years.......enough is enough.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    A few thoughts

    1) If we're going to keep thousands of troops in Iraq for the sake of security, would it really be worth it? What would be the cost of withdrawing all those troops, exactly?

    2) If Baghdad ultimately wants us out, do we really have a say in the matter?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Iraqis demanded all our troops be out of Iraq by Dec 31 of this year. We have a signed agreement to that effect.
    I'm not arguing that fact. I'm saying if they ask us to stay longer based on a legitmate safety risk we need to weight our decision carefully. Not just cut tail and run 'cause "we never should have been there".
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Right. And the Iraqi army is largely made up of men who had no prior access to defense training of any kind. How many years did it take America to become legitimately secure after/during the Revolutionary war?
    the iraqis have been trained now and are 300k strong. they have taken over bases......let them fight their fights now, usually with each other. if iran rears its ugly head, we might welcome the opportunity to put them in their place. but the iraqis need to take care of the iraqis.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm not arguing that fact. I'm saying if they ask us to stay longer based on a legitmate safety risk we need to weight our decision carefully. Not just cut tail and run 'cause "we never should have been there".
    sounds like an old, trite argument. we're not cutting and running......what's left that they can't do themselves?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    sounds like an old, trite argument. we're not cutting and running......what's left that they can't do themselves?
    What? "we never should have been there?"

    I agree wholeheartedly.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    sounds like an old, trite argument. we're not cutting and running......what's left that they can't do themselves?
    Well, we know the potential for imploding and falling back into a sectarian civil war is very real. I'm not sure how much such a scenario would directly impact US national security, but it's something to think about.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    If we can pay to repair and rebuild and strengthen Germany after they started a war in which they got properly creamed, I see no justification for not making Iraq as safe as possible before we leave the land that we invaded.
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    Re: Iraqis wary of decision on U.S. troops

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm not arguing that fact. I'm saying if they ask us to stay longer based on a legitmate safety risk we need to weight our decision carefully. Not just cut tail and run 'cause "we never should have been there".
    After almost a decade in a mistaken war that is bankrupting our country, it is not cutting and running to say we can't continue to be the world's policeman.
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