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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Bush raided and spent a total of $1.37 trillion of Social Security surplus during his eight years as president. In his last year, he spent $192.2 billion, which averages out to more than $526 million per day.

    During a speech on April 5, 2005 in Parkersburg, West Virginia, Bush openly admitted to the fact that all of the Social Security surplus revenue had been spent. He said, "There is no trust fund, just IOUs that I saw firsthand that future generations will pay—will pay for either in higher taxes, or reduced benefits, or cuts to other critical government programs."
    News Articles: No Money in the Social Security Trust Fund
    The President cannot raid Social Security. He can only spend what the Congress allows. For really big thefts the Congress is the place to be.

    And this offers evidence that there is nothing of value remaining. Only IOUs from one government agency to another.

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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The President cannot raid Social Security. He can only spend what the Congress allows. For really big thefts the Congress is the place to be.

    And this offers evidence that there is nothing of value remaining. Only IOUs from one government agency to another.
    When Bush entered office he said there was a 2.6 trillion dollars surplus and that he was going to make sure it wasn't used for anything else. Before he left he said it was all gone. Of course the president didn't take us to war against Iraq on his own. The majority of the GOP supported the war who outvoted the majority of Democrats who voted against it. Since the GOP cut revenues while waging 2 wars the money had to come from somewhere, the SS trust funds and our national debt took the hit. Now its time to pay the piper!

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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If the money is accessed via an appropriation bill, then Congress has a major role in that, no?
    The majority of Democrats voted against war against Iraq. Who does that leave as the party responsible for the Iraq debt and deaths?
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    Re: The results are in on social security

    This thread has beaten the horse so much that its skeletal remains are in a 3 foot hole. I have only one thing to add to this thread.



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    Re: The results are in on social security

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    The majority of Democrats voted against war against Iraq. Who does that leave as the party responsible for the Iraq debt and deaths?
    In the house, and not by much of a margin. In the Senate, the majority voted for it. Regardless, most of these appropriations passed in Democrat controlled congresses.
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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In the house, and not by much of a margin. In the Senate, the majority voted for it. Regardless, most of these appropriations passed in Democrat controlled congresses.

    Nope, in both the Senate and the House, the majority of Democrats voted against invading Iraq and the majority of Republicans voted for it. I've checked. Likewise, with the special appropritions, a majority of Democrats voted against them and a majority of Republicans voted for them.
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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nope, in both the Senate and the House, the majority of Democrats voted against invading Iraq and the majority of Republicans voted for it. I've checked. Likewise, with the special appropritions, a majority of Democrats voted against them and a majority of Republicans voted for them.
    No, in the Senate it was 29 Democrats for and 21 against. Are you saying all the resolutions were voted against by Democrats? Even in the Democrat majority years? (which is most of the 20th century, by the way).
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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, in the Senate it was 29 Democrats for and 21 against. Are you saying all the resolutions were voted against by Democrats? Even in the Democrat majority years? (which is most of the 20th century, by the way).
    In the House

    <3% of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution
    61% of 208 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution.

    In the Senate

    2% of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution
    42% of 50 Democratic senators voted against the resolution

    While a slight majority of Dems in the house joined an almost unanimous GOP support, as can be seen, Congressional Republicans almost unanimously voted for the Iraq war and the great majority of Congressional Democrats voted against the Iraq war.

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Same with the special appropriations for the Iraq war. A majority of the Democrats have voted against the majority of appropriations and a majority of Republicans have voted for the majority of special appropriations.
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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When Bush entered office he said there was a 2.6 trillion dollars surplus and that he was going to make sure it wasn't used for anything else. Before he left he said it was all gone.
    Congress, not the President, sets the budget. There is no surplus. There never has been. It is much like stories of Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

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    Re: The results are in on social security

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Congress, not the President, sets the budget. There is no surplus. There never has been. It is much like stories of Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
    The surplus is guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the US. It helped finance the GOP war in Iraq.
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