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VP Biden AWOL on Deficit Talks

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after Senator Reid's Comments about how it would be "foolish" for Democrats to put up a budget (as it would force them to defend something rather than just attack Republicans), the President's apparent willingness to put aside compromise in order to kick off the 2012 election cycle, and Nancy Pelosi's declaration that even the Bi-Partisan Simpson-Bowles Commission plan was "Dead on Arrival"; can we really be surprised at one more indication that Democratic leadership doesn't really take the fiscal future of this nation seriously?


Vice President Biden is being touted as the White House point man on the budget, leading the discussions with Congress as our nation’s leaders try to come up with a plan to slash the deficit and avoid defaulting on the debt.

With Congress back in town following the Memorial Day recess, bargainers are set to stream back to the table, roll up their sleeves, and start hashing through the numbers. Biden will be leading the charge.

Wait a second. No he won’t. It’s back to foreign policy for the vice president. This just in from the White House:

Vice President Joe Biden and Dr. Jill Biden have departed en route Rome, Italy, to lead the Presidential Delegation to the Celebration of the 150th Anniversary of the Unification of Italy on Thursday, June 2.​


Though the Treasury Department has already begun taking extraordinary measures to avoid default, budget talks can wait apparently for unification of Italy celebrations to end....

Biden and his wife won’t be back until Saturday.
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Because it is so much better to push a bill with no chance to pass, that is what fiscal responsibility is all about. Your one sided view of everything is hilarious and sad at the same time.
 
Meh, he's the VP. All he has to do is cast the tie winning vote in the Senate and wait for the President to become incapacitated.
 
Redress said:
Because it is so much better to push a bill with no chance to pass, that is what fiscal responsibility is all about. Your one sided view of everything is hilarious and sad at the same time.
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my one sided view? my one sided view is that Democrats are the ones screaming about how if we don't raise the debt limit as soon as possible the earth will break, the kraken will be released, and we will all be ripped from our bodies - our souls cast out into darkness to wander in pain and torment for a millennia - yet apparently it's still not worth skipping vacation and party-time in Italy.

okay, slight hyperbole. but it is hardly a "one sided view" to note that the only ones putting forth plans, ideas, or solutions are Republicans, and that Democrats seem to be simultaneously screaming that "something" has to be done about raising the debt ceiling.... while apparently unwilling to actually, you know, "do" that "something", "whatever it is".

my one-sidedness? what is sad is that anyone would defend this kind of irresponsibility.
 
cpwill said:
after Senator Reid's Comments about how it would be "foolish" for Democrats to put up a budget (as it would force them to defend something rather than just attack Republicans), the President's apparent willingness to put aside compromise in order to kick off the 2012 election cycle, and Nancy Pelosi's declaration that even the Bi-Partisan Simpson-Bowles Commission plan was "Dead on Arrival"; can we really be surprised at one more indication that Democratic leadership doesn't really take the fiscal future of this nation seriously?
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Wasn't Biden supposed to be working on the deficit limit. What has a higher priority than that.
 
cpwill said:
my one sided view? my one sided view is that Democrats are the ones screaming about how if we don't raise the debt limit as soon as possible the earth will break, the kraken will be released, and we will all be ripped from our bodies - our souls cast out into darkness to wander in pain and torment for a millennia - yet apparently it's still not worth skipping vacation and party-time in Italy.

okay, slight hyperbole. but it is hardly a "one sided view" to note that the only ones putting forth plans, ideas, or solutions are Republicans, and that Democrats seem to be simultaneously screaming that "something" has to be done about raising the debt ceiling.... while apparently unwilling to actually, you know, "do" that "something", "whatever it is".

my one-sidedness? what is sad is that anyone would defend this kind of irresponsibility.
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Actually everything you said it absolutely true. I saw this Democrat commercial. :mrgreen:



The Vulcans didn't raise their debt ceiling either.
 
washunut said:
Wasn't Biden supposed to be working on the deficit limit. What has a higher priority than that.
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apparently partying it up in Italy. he'll get around to the People's Business when he's ready, and we'll thank him for it when he does, too.
 
cpwill said:
my one sided view? my one sided view is that Democrats are the ones screaming about how if we don't raise the debt limit as soon as possible the earth will break, the kraken will be released, and we will all be ripped from our bodies - our souls cast out into darkness to wander in pain and torment for a millennia - yet apparently it's still not worth skipping vacation and party-time in Italy.

okay, slight hyperbole. but it is hardly a "one sided view" to note that the only ones putting forth plans, ideas, or solutions are Republicans, and that Democrats seem to be simultaneously screaming that "something" has to be done about raising the debt ceiling.... while apparently unwilling to actually, you know, "do" that "something", "whatever it is".

my one-sidedness? what is sad is that anyone would defend this kind of irresponsibility.
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That "putting forth a plan" was putting forth something so they could say "see, we tried but democrats wouldn't pass it". That plan was so extreme and over the top b ad that of course it failed. It was a PR stunt, and you bought into it. And that is not hyperbole.
 
Redress said:
That "putting forth a plan" was putting forth something so they could say "see, we tried but democrats wouldn't pass it". That plan was so extreme and over the top b ad that of course it failed. It was a PR stunt, and you bought into it. And that is not hyperbole.
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Oh come on, Redress. We're at that point now where we need a plan that's "over the top". We waited too many decades as it is.
 
Redress said:
That "putting forth a plan" was putting forth something so they could say "see, we tried but democrats wouldn't pass it". That plan was so extreme and over the top b ad that of course it failed. It was a PR stunt, and you bought into it. And that is not hyperbole.
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on the contrary - it passed the House and got 40 votes in the Senate. And was also deliberately sold as a way to get negotiations started. Then the President signaled that he was willing to put out a plan himself in order to start the negotiations between the two sides, and invited the lead Republicans to the speech in which he was going to do it in.... and then pulled a bait and switch and instead accused them of attacking autistic kids and people's grandmothers.

the Ryan plan is indeed a serious plan. Even Obama said so - before he decided it was better politics to go on the assault.


and you continue to ignore that at least the Republicans are putting something out there. what, you expect them to do the Democrats work for them? The Senate is now in it's second year of (illegally) refusing to pass a budget - Reid says it would be "foolish" for them to do so. Do you honestly defend that stance? that political advantage come before the fiscal good of the nation?
 
American said:
Oh come on, Redress. We're at that point now where we need a plan that's "over the top". We waited too many decades as it is.
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indeed. if you want an "over the top" plan, go look at what Rand Paul is putting out. that's a hard-hitting budget. The Ryan Plan is phased and takes place slowly over a period of time.
 
yes, why the hell is he not doing something more productive



.... like chopping wood on a texas ranch
 
I guess the Vice President of the United States doesn't think it's a big F---ing deal.

 
American said:
Oh come on, Redress. We're at that point now where we need a plan that's "over the top". We waited too many decades as it is.
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No, in point of fact we do not need an extreme plan. We just need a good one. An extreme plan has a very large potential to make things worse without intending to. When you do too much, too fast, you will always have nasty unintended consequences. Ryan's plan, which claimed to be revenue neutral(while shifting taxes from the wealthy to those less wealthy when you read the details), raised health care costs on every one in the country, and still took over 20 years to balance the budget was extreme. Extremely bad. Republicans knew it would not pass, and did not try and work for a plan that actually could pass. It was a pure PR stunt.
 
Whovian said:
And the Democratic plan that could pass is... where? Exactly???
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Being negotiated. It makes no sense practically or politically to put out a plan that cannot pass.
 
Redress said:
Being negotiated. It makes no sense practically or politically to put out a plan that cannot pass.
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Really? I've heard nothing of this wonderful Democratic plan that has a chance at bi-partisan support. Perhaps you could provide a link to it?
 
justabubba said:
yes, why the hell is he not doing something more productive



.... like chopping wood on a texas ranch
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That dumb comment doesn't even fit in here. What does that have to do with the budget?
 
Whovian said:
Really? I've heard nothing of this wonderful Democratic plan that has a chance at bi-partisan support. Perhaps you could provide a link to it?
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Maybe Willie Nelson sent these Killer D's a case of whiskey with a note that read, "Stand your ground."
 
This trip to Italy was probably planned months ago (giving the fact that he's the VP, security is high and these things are planned months ahead and no public notice is given) and he is now going.

And i will bet you he will be joining them on the deficit talks via telepresence or whatever other program, even a telephone.
 
Gargantuan said:
This trip to Italy was probably planned months ago (giving the fact that he's the VP, security is high and these things are planned months ahead and no public notice is given) and he is now going.

And i will bet you he will be joining them on the deficit talks via telepresence or whatever other program, even a telephone.
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If so, why was he put in charge of something when they knew he would not be around to actually, you know... be in charge?

And it's merely supposition on the second part of your comment.
 
Whovian said:
If so, why was he put in charge of something when they knew he would not be around to actually, you know... be in charge?

And it's merely supposition on the second part of your comment.
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It's not "if so". Trust me, foreign trips by the first few members of the line of succession are extremely well planned in terms of security. These things are not suddenly decided upon a week before. Secret service/DSS is sent there months in advance to survey the area the official will travel to and check out potential sites for shooters, decide upon where their men will be stationed, etc.

My second comment is supposition but it's pretty obvious that if he's chairing it he will be kept up to date while overseas.

As for the second part of the first part, I really can't answer that. Obviously he will be able to keep up to date on the talks and someone else will have to take charge of the talks. Maybe they should have made this more clear to the public before and said that the VP will not be chairing the talks but will be listening in/observing while overseas during the week of 5/30, etc. I really don't know.
 
Gargantuan said:
It's not "if so". Trust me, foreign trips by the first few members of the line of succession are extremely well planned in terms of security. These things are not suddenly decided upon a week before. Secret service/DSS is sent there months in advance to survey the area the official will travel to and check out potential sites for shooters, decide upon where their men will be stationed, etc.

My second comment is supposition but it's pretty obvious that if he's chairing it he will be kept up to date while overseas.

As for the second part of the first part, I really can't answer that. Obviously he will be able to keep up to date on the talks and someone else will have to take charge of the talks. Maybe they should have made this more clear to the public before and said that the VP will not be chairing the talks but will be listening in/observing while overseas during the week of 5/30, etc. I really don't know.
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My 'if so' was not meant to imply they did not plan the trip... it was meant to wonder why they would plan the trip, AND put him in charge of the negotiations, knowing he would not be around for part of the negotiations.
 
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