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Christian Man Given Five Years in Prison for Sharing Faith

Alfons said:
It is disgusting thing that Muslims claim more and more rights by us while they oppress all non-Muslims in their home countries. Or are we idiots?
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We can't control other countries. It sucks that there are despots and oppressive governments out there; but that's not our problem. Our problem is our government. Here we will extend the natural and innate rights to everyone; even Muslims. If Muslim countries can't do that for their people; it's sad, but what can I do about it?
 
Alfons said:
I am missing here the outrage of liberals or their politically correct medias! Almost all are keeping silence. A Christian sentenced to prison for sharing of his fate is probably nothing in comparison to burned qurans or mosques on Ground Zeros. Can you imagine the outrage of leftists if a Muslim will get denied his "Constitutional Right" to convert infidels somewhere in Detroit or in Bronx.

The best solution would be if Muslims enjoy same rights in the Western countries which they grant to non-Muslims in their countries.



The full story:

Christian Man Given Five Years in Prison for Sharing Faith, Christian News
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Could you imagine what an American Christian would do if he thought they were killing gays in Uganda!??!??!

Oh, that's right, they'd run over and try to help.
Arch-Conservative U.S. Christians Help Uganda 'Kill-the-Gays' Bill Stay Alive | News & Politics | AlterNet
 
Alfons said:
Muslims hate us!
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I've never been mistreated by a Muslim. We have the freedom of religion in this country, and every Muslim I have ever met has respected that. The grace of some truly wonderful Christians notwithstanding, my experiences with your faith have been much more mixed. Algeria's persecution of minority religions may be far worse than our own, but it is still better to concern ourselves with the speck in our eye before trying to remove the plank in another's.
 
CriticalThought said:
What rights are they claiming in our country that other people in our country do not get?
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How about prayer in school? Watch what happens if a Christian kneeled in class to pray; imagine the outrage that would ensue. The child would be suspended, and the parents brought before the principal. Now imagine a Muslim kneeling down to pray; not a word would be said. Know why? They'd be afraid the Muslims would come to their homes a cut all their ****ing heads off, and blow up the rest of their family.


And don't tell that very thought wouldn't cross your mind. That's the imagine painted by Muslims cause they know it works. Why do you think we see protests on TV over a cartoon.
 
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American said:
How about prayer in school? Watch what happens if a Christian kneeled in class to pray; imagine the outrage that would ensue. The child would be suspended, and the parents brought before the principal. Now imagine a Muslim kneeling down to pray; not a word would be said. Know why? They'd be afraid the Muslims would come to their homes a cut all their ****ing heads off, and blow up the rest of their family.


And don't tell that very thought wouldn't cross your mind.
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Well to be fair, kids aren't allowed to do jack **** in school anymore and are sent home for anything the school can dream up. As for prayer in school, so long as it's not forced I see no problem with it.
 
Ikari said:
Well to be fair, kids aren't allowed to do jack **** in school anymore and are sent home for anything the school can dream up. As for prayer in school, so long as it's not forced I see no problem with it.
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I agree, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about perceptions. People fear Muslims.
 
American said:
I agree, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about perceptions. People fear Muslims.
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If people were rational thinkers, they would realize that any random Muslim they meet on the street is far less likely to hurt them compared to their own car.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If people were rational thinkers, they would realize that any random Muslim they meet on the street is far less likely to hurt them compared to their own car.
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Maybe, but stereotype is there....and that's all that matters.
 
American said:
How about prayer in school? Watch what happens if a Christian kneeled in class to pray; imagine the outrage that would ensue. The child would be suspended, and the parents brought before the principal. Now imagine a Muslim kneeling down to pray; not a word would be said. Know why? They'd be afraid the Muslims would come to their homes a cut all their ****ing heads off, and blow up the rest of their family.

And don't tell that very thought wouldn't cross your mind. That's the imagine painted by Muslims cause they know it works. Why do you think we see protests on TV over a cartoon.
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I would sure as hell complain. No prayer in schools. I don't care who you're praying to.

I have no fear of a Muslim "cutting my head off," because I'm not a bigot. Really. Didn't cross my mind.
 
American said:
I agree, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about perceptions. People fear Muslims.
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A few years ago, there was a hot Muslim chick that I met at a seminar. She was smokin', and I feared her. And by 'feared', I mean slept with.
 
American said:
How about prayer in school? Watch what happens if a Christian kneeled in class to pray; imagine the outrage that would ensue. The child would be suspended, and the parents brought before the principal. Now imagine a Muslim kneeling down to pray; not a word would be said. Know why? They'd be afraid the Muslims would come to their homes a cut all their ****ing heads off, and blow up the rest of their family.


And don't tell that very thought wouldn't cross your mind. That's the imagine painted by Muslims cause they know it works. Why do you think we see protests on TV over a cartoon.
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You know, as a Catholic, I regularly crossed myself both as a student in school in NH as well as when I was a teacher in Georgia before relocating to Taiwan. I even wore a Catholic crucifix in both places. Never once did I have a problem with administration, students, parents or anyone else... Even as a teacher, the principal affirmed the right of all school personnel to wear religious jewelry so long as they did not interfere with the mission of the school. It was NEVER an issue and the one time I saw an anti-Catholic poster at the school, Catholic students informed me of it and it was removed without incident.
 
MistressNomad said:
I would sure as hell complain. No prayer in schools. I don't care who you're praying to.

I have no fear of a Muslim "cutting my head off," because I'm not a bigot. Really. Didn't cross my mind.
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That is an absolutely rediculous and absurd position. If students and teachers want to pray before an exam, before a meal or any other time of the day, why should they be prevented from doing so if it is on their own volition?
 
Alfons said:
I am missing here the outrage of liberals or their politically correct medias! Almost all are keeping silence. A Christian sentenced to prison for sharing of his fate is probably nothing in comparison to burned qurans or mosques on Ground Zeros. Can you imagine the outrage of leftists if a Muslim will get denied his "Constitutional Right" to convert infidels somewhere in Detroit or in Bronx.

The best solution would be if Muslims enjoy same rights in the Western countries which they grant to non-Muslims in their countries.



The full story:

Christian Man Given Five Years in Prison for Sharing Faith, Christian News
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While I diagree entirely with the man even being charged, let alone sentenced, if I was a christian living in a country which had laws against prosetylising which were punishable by a prison sentence I wouldn't do it. Simple as that.

Also, it wasn't a mosque and it asn't at ground zero.
 
 
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ludahai said:
That is an absolutely rediculous and absurd position. If students and teachers want to pray before an exam, before a meal or any other time of the day, why should they be prevented from doing so if it is on their own volition?
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The example was distinctly disruptive. A child getting up, and making a bit of a show of themselves by getting on the floor to pray.

If you can manage it in your seat, quietly, then I am not likely to care even if I happen to notice. Cross your fingers and bow your head all you like. Just please don't make it so you're impossible to ignore while the rest of us are trying to get on with what we're doing. That's my issue.
 
MistressNomad said:
The example was distinctly disruptive. A child getting up, and making a bit of a show of themselves by getting on the floor to pray.

If you can manage it in your seat, quietly, then I am not likely to care even if I happen to notice. Cross your fingers and bow your head all you like. Just please don't make it so you're impossible to ignore while the rest of us are trying to get on with what we're doing. That's my issue.
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I can't speak for all Protestest sects of course as I am not a Protestant, but I believe there are some that require that kind of gesture, not to mention what Muslims need to do. You don't think that the rights of the student to pray can't be accomodated within reason?
 
ludahai said:
I can't speak for all Protestest sects of course as I am not a Protestant, but I believe there are some that require that kind of gesture, not to mention what Muslims need to do. You don't think that the rights of the student to pray can't be accomodated within reason?
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Teachers and other children have a right to not have their education disrupted, in a public, governmental building, by religion.

If they'd like to provide a separate space for that, fine. But not where anyone else is having their learning disrupted.

But I don't really see how that's possible without granting unfair exemption from time in class. That's a waste of tax dollars, frankly.

The idea that 1. these students will die if they don't get to pray in the middle of school and 2. that somehow their god only grants prayers if they are disruptive about it is rather absurd.

Best thing I think they could do is go off during lunch period or some other unstructured time if they desperately (?) need to pray.
 
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Proselytizing in a predominantly non Christian Country is not exactly a brainy move.

I admire his courage but but he did ask for it didn't he. In a way he's lucky to be alive.

The whole episode once again points out that Islam is not a Religion of peace and Love.
 
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