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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

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    Further, would you not agree that our entitlement programs are 33% of our budget, and therefore a significant part of our debt, as well as completely unsustainable in their current state? Destroying and reshaping are two entirely different things. We can fear-monger and hyperbolize the situation all we want, but it won't make those statements reality.
    The entire point of the medicare change purposed by Ryan is to make the program worthless in the long term. My contention is not with the fact, but the way it is being presented as "saving the program" its lying and many americans realize that

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The entire point of the medicare change purposed by Ryan is to make the program worthless in the long term.
    It was a proposal to make the program viable. Ideologically, some disagree on whether or not it would work. Unfortunately, the democrats have no proposed a plan at all, let alone a viable one. We can talk about one plan all day, if you'd like. I would rather focus on the bigger issue...that we need to do SOMETHING and our representatives are responsible for coming up with a plan. All of them. And so far, only one guy has. That's pretty sad, when you think about it.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It was a proposal to make the program viable. Ideologically, some disagree on whether or not it would work. Unfortunately, the democrats have no proposed a plan at all, let alone a viable one. We can talk about one plan all day, if you'd like. I would rather focus on the bigger issue...that we need to do SOMETHING and our representatives are responsible for coming up with a plan. All of them. And so far, only one guy has. That's pretty sad, when you think about it.
    They should of saved it for the 2012 election. The repubs ****ed up by making it an issue early on instead of waiting when the plan would have actually been moderate to actually win the election. For instance, the plan would go a long way to win over independents if it didn't start at 55. Theres no way in hell that a person can save enough money in 5-10 years to cover 20+ years of medical expenses.

    Besides, if you are going to have contention that "at least they are doing something" then you should of blamed the repubs (minus Ron Paul) for not having something to offer during the health care debate. Good for the goose good for the gander

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    They should of saved it for the 2012 election. The repubs ****ed up by making it an issue early on instead of waiting when the plan would have actually been moderate to actually win the election. For instance, the plan would go a long way to win over independents if it didn't start at 55. Theres no way in hell that a person can save enough money in 5-10 years to cover 20+ years of medical expenses.

    Besides, if you are going to have contention that "at least they are doing something" then you should of blamed the repubs (minus Ron Paul) for not having something to offer during the health care debate. Good for the goose good for the gander
    We shouldn't be waiting for an election. We shouldn't be holding off on helping the country just so somebody can win re-election. Obama should be the leader he claimed he would be, encourage the bipartisanship he claimed he wanted to see..and he should be stepping in and guiding talks and compromises. We have spent $4 trillion in 2.5 years. We can't keep spending like that. It needs to stop ASAP, not after the next election cycle because of some sort of strategic plan. I'm tired of making excuses for politicians. Turn out results. Stop pussyfooting around issues. Make a decision, defend it honestly, and do what we sent you to D.C. to do, what we pay you to do.

    The health care program shouldn't have passed. There was nothing to offer to a program that they intended to repeal.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The health care program shouldn't have passed. There was nothing to offer to a program that they intended to repeal.
    After this I'm done derailing

    The repubs offered no solutions (minus Ron Paul) for fixing health care for the same reason why dems aren't now.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You aren't putting it into context. All republicans want to destroy social programs. The money would be taken from programs like Food Stamps. This is why people are like "wtf"
    I'm still curious as to why destroying social programs when the country is $14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and climbing is such a bad thing, considering social programs constitute over 60% of the Federal Budget.

    Social Programs are merely political bribes for votes wrapped in the lie of "for the children"
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

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    I'm still curious as to why destroying social programs when the country is $14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and climbing is such a bad thing, considering social programs constitute over 60% of the Federal Budget.

    Social Programs are merely political bribes for votes wrapped in the lie of "for the children"
    Take away all the money from all the social programs and the free market will take care of everyone....

    Then why isn't that happening now? Dispersed responsibility? That would happen without government assistance as well.

    My contention is that starting point. Start with subsides, bloated military, reform welfare to be a welfare to work program like Scandinavian countries etc. But completely removing them would cause more harm than good.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    After this I'm done derailing

    The repubs offered no solutions (minus Ron Paul) for fixing health care for the same reason why dems aren't now.
    And on that point, there is no justification. As I said, both parties are too worried about strategies for reelection to legislate honestly. It needs to end. We need to show people that when they don't work, they won't work for us anymore, instead of continually voting the same people or type of people into office expecting new results.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

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    Take away all the money from all the social programs and the free market will take care of everyone....

    Then why isn't that happening now? Dispersed responsibility? That would happen without government assistance as well.

    My contention is that starting point. Start with subsides, bloated military, reform welfare to be a welfare to work program like Scandinavian countries etc. But completely removing them would cause more harm than good.
    People just assume that all of those on welfare would magically become amazing employees if a job was handed to them. Welfare recipients are largely unskilled, uneducated, unmotivated, and welfare encourages that type of existence. If we removed everything those people would be helpless and it would continue to be a generational problem. Training programs, mandatory skill-based services, and other programs designed to prepare these people to be productive are essential in the process of limiting or eradicating existing programs. I don't see anybody advocating to shut off the faucet tomorrow.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    People just assume that all of those on welfare would magically become amazing employees if a job was handed to them. Welfare recipients are largely unskilled, uneducated, unmotivated, and welfare encourages that type of existence. If we removed everything those people would be helpless and it would continue to be a generational problem. Training programs, mandatory skill-based services, and other programs designed to prepare these people to be productive are essential in the process of limiting or eradicating existing programs. I don't see anybody advocating to shut off the faucet tomorrow.
    But you also don't see repubs offering this.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And on that point, there is no justification. As I said, both parties are too worried about strategies for reelection to legislate honestly. It needs to end. We need to show people that when they don't work, they won't work for us anymore, instead of continually voting the same people or type of people into office expecting new results.
    Then vote libertarian.
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