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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Except a better analogy would be a family not paying the electricity bill to pay for an illness, it's not money that could be spent like he's implying, but money that will be spent.

    Call me a commie, but I think money for disaster relief should arrive ASAP, and not have to go through a bureaucratic rigmarole.
    No.

    The nation can live without NPR and PBS.

    The nation can live without welfare.

    The nation can live without farm price supports.

    There's roughly 70% of the budget the nation can live without,just fine.

    Time for the libbies to grow up and realize they've done spent all the money on candy, and yet the baby still needs real food. Time for you people to give up your candy.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Really?

    REALLY!?!

    People have lost their lives. Homes, businesses and property have all been destroyed. Entire towns lay in ruin. They're still finding bodies in Joplin. Folks down south of me in Tuscaloosa, AL are still homeless; some are even still hospitalized. And Congressman Cantor has the audacity to politicize federal disaster relief funds?

    REALLY!?!

    U-N-F-R-E-A-K-I-N' REAL!!!
    REALLY.

    The fact of the matter is that the federal government has no business, no business at all, providing disaster relief for the states.

    The individual home owners and business owners are expected to be mature adults who have the sense to carry umm...INSURANCE.

    For some reason, you people think the residents of New York should pay to fix tornado damage in Missouri, pay for the fools who don't ask New Yorkers for permission to live on flood plains along the Mississippi, and to subsidize the crazies who live on the hurricane prone coastlines. There's no justice in that, and, btw, it's not allowed by the Constituon, either.

    There's a state government in Mississippi. Those people have the responsibility to plan for and finance natural disaster recoveries in their state. They should be required to do their jobs and leave the nation's taxpayers alone.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You know, you wouldn't be making such foolish, dispassionate statements if one of those F5's bared down on your home, your family, your community. I've seen the devastation LIVE, IN PERSON! We're still cleaning up the mess all around north Alabama. Layla-Z is 1000% correct. You DON'T play politics with people's lives this way. I understand the budgetary problems our country is facing currently, but this is something you don't play political games with.
    Sure you do.

    Because otherwise EVERTHING becoms a national emergency and NOTHING is ever cut.

    Every adult in Joplin had his responsiblity to provide proper shelter for his family in his home. NOT the people in Wisconsin. Not the people in Alaska. The people in the path of the tornado had the responbility to be prepared.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    That's great that you could do that. Luckily you had a job and insurance, many don't. Luckily you weren't in the hospital so long that you lost your job and with it your insurance. Good thing you weren't laid off before you paid off the bill. Luckily nothing else major went wrong before you paid the bill. When getting you insurance, good thing you didn't have a pre-existing condition that kept you from getting insurance.

    I know that some people take advantage of government programs when they really don't need them, but that is not true of everyone. Sometimes good responsible people need help.
    Guess what, MOST DO.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I kinda agree with his sentiments, but I think its a dangerous political game considering that repub typically are talking about cutting money that goes to other segments of the population, typically the poor.
    Actually, you know what? Wow, that actually sounds like good common sense, until... you think about it for two seconds. And then it just seems like bull**** masquerading as common sense. But all right, I'll allow it. All right, let's think about our country as a family. It's just like a family. So here's our country.

    Daily Kos: Jon Stewart rips Eric Cantor for denying Joplin, MO, disaster relief

    I thought the Stewart response was spot on.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    That's great that you could do that. Luckily you had a job and insurance, many don't. Luckily you weren't in the hospital so long that you lost your job and with it your insurance. Good thing you weren't laid off before you paid off the bill. Luckily nothing else major went wrong before you paid the bill. When getting you insurance, good thing you didn't have a pre-existing condition that kept you from getting insurance.

    I know that some people take advantage of government programs when they really don't need them, but that is not true of everyone. Sometimes good responsible people need help.
    Yeah, luckily none of those things happened. But guess what? Had I been laid off or fired I would have qualified for Cobra and unemployment benefits. If for some reason those didn't come through I would have been able to subsist for at least three months on my "emergency saving" without dipping into my "house fund" savings. I prepare for downfalls and unfortunate situations. And when they happen, if my preparations aren't enough, I find a way. I don't stand around whining and demanding that somebody step in and take care of me. My life is my responsibility..Nobody elses.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Is it, can you cite in the Constitution where this is? Wait, you'll zero in on the phrase "General welfare". Context is everything, and you fail if you go there.

    Homes and businesses, it's called INSURANCE, that you pay for. Don't have it, sucks to be you. School's are the School District/State's issue, and they rebuild those. That's just... duh part of Government to rebuild when it's buildings get waxed. Rebuild peoples homes? Businesses? Nope. Roads? Yes. Water supply? If it's municipal, certainly. If it's privately owned, nope.

    How dare YOU ma'am, believe you have some right to other people hard earned money, how dare YOU ma'am assume you have some right to have others fix your life for you, how dare YOU ma'am use a tragic incident in a town like Joplin to score petty political points.
    Cantor is the one trying to score political points. This should not be a political issue. I'm fine with my hard earned tax dollar going to help the people in Joplin just like I was fine with it going to help people in Katrina. I'm lucky enough to have a good home and insurance but I know that other aren't. If you want all of your tax money to go to buy another tank or aircraft carrier, that's fine but I truly hope that you are never in need of aid and that if you are it is provided for you.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No.

    The nation can live without NPR and PBS.

    The nation can live without welfare.

    The nation can live without farm price supports.

    There's roughly 70% of the budget the nation can live without,just fine.

    Time for the libbies to grow up and realize they've done spent all the money on candy, and yet the baby still needs real food. Time for you people to give up your candy.
    I love how you blame just the libs. Ever think of conservatives when you make these statements? They are just as bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I see virtually no difference between what you said and what he said.
    As has already been mentioned, the problem with Cantor's statement is where repubs plan on getting the money from. If it was coming from "new car" expenditures i.e. military weapons then there wouldn't be a problem with the statement. However, the repubs would take it from things like food stamps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Sure you do.

    Because otherwise EVERTHING becoms a national emergency and NOTHING is ever cut.

    Every adult in Joplin had his responsiblity to provide proper shelter for his family in his home. NOT the people in Wisconsin. Not the people in Alaska. The people in the path of the tornado had the responbility to be prepared.
    You can't be that ignorant can you? You do realize that insurance, even assuming the entire town was insured, would not pay for the entire town's reconstruction.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yeah, luckily none of those things happened. But guess what? Had I been laid off or fired I would have qualified for Cobra and unemployment benefits. If for some reason those didn't come through I would have been able to subsist for at least three months on my "emergency saving" without dipping into my "house fund" savings. I prepare for downfalls and unfortunate situations. And when they happen, if my preparations aren't enough, I find a way. I don't stand around whining and demanding that somebody step in and take care of me. My life is my responsibility..Nobody elses.
    And you are lucky that you can do so. You know how much extra money I get a month right now? $20-$50


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, you know what? Wow, that actually sounds like good common sense, until... you think about it for two seconds. And then it just seems like bull**** masquerading as common sense. But all right, I'll allow it. All right, let's think about our country as a family. It's just like a family. So here's our country.

    Daily Kos: Jon Stewart rips Eric Cantor for denying Joplin, MO, disaster relief

    I thought the Stewart response was spot on.
    I already made that point. Go back through the thread and read my replies. Also, thats the point I was making even in that quote, hence the kinda
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yeah, luckily none of those things happened. But guess what? Had I been laid off or fired I would have qualified for Cobra and unemployment benefits. If for some reason those didn't come through I would have been able to subsist for at least three months on my "emergency saving" without dipping into my "house fund" savings. I prepare for downfalls and unfortunate situations. And when they happen, if my preparations aren't enough, I find a way. I don't stand around whining and demanding that somebody step in and take care of me. My life is my responsibility..Nobody elses.
    I hope you never need help and that if you do, people like you are not making the decision about whether or not you get it.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I already made that point. Go back through the thread and read my replies. Also, thats the point I was making even in that quote, hence the kinda
    I know. I was backing it up, I thought.

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