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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    No. My feelings aren't hurt at all. Don't bring this issue down to such immature levels. You're smarter than that.

    This is about the human tragedy that's involved here. People lost their lives, their homes, their property, their jobs, their entire community if not entire towns are gone! And yes, victims have filed property insurance claims as they are suppose to do. I know this is happening where I live because people who have been interviewed have been stating they are doing such. However, in those instances where private insurance doesn't pickup the tab, disaster relief aid is suppose to be there to cover the rest.

    Again, I read Cantor's words and I do understand that despite it all he did say that Congress will find the money for disaster relief. But it is the mere fact that he put politics ahead of people that offended me. I just don't think anyone should be purposefully injecting politics into such tragic events.
    ...I mean, you're tarring and feathering a man for absolutely nothing aside from using wording that (using your own term) "offends" you. How would you classify that, aside from hurt feelings? He hasn't "injected politics" into anything. Joplinites aren't going to go through any more red tape because of his statement. They're not going to get less money. They're not going to have more stringent repayment terms.

    You're literally ONLY mad because he brought up the budget in regards to a natural disaster, and did not construct his response to your liking.

    What's your point? That he could have been a little more empathetic? Okay. Sure. He could have. Are you happy? Does that change anything?
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    What's your point? That he could have been a little more empathetic? Okay. Sure. He could have. Are you happy? Does that change anything?
    Yes, that's exactly my point.

    However, I've also said I understood his point of view that: 1) federal dollars aren't that easy to come by in the face of our country's economic woes; and 2) that in order to provide said funds money would have to be pulled (or offset) from other programs.

    I heard him (or rather, I read his words) and the meaning came out clearly. Still, as I've said and as you're pointed out, he could have been more empathetic. IMO, he demonstrated a degree of callousness that shouldn't be displayed from a public figure in the wake of such tragic events.

    So, yes, the tone of his message did offend me.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes, that's exactly my point.

    However, I've also said I understood his point of view that: 1) federal dollars aren't that easy to come by in the face of our country's economic woes; and 2) that in order to provide said funds money would have to be pulled (or offset) from other programs.

    I heard him (or rather, I read his words) and the meaning came out clearly. Still, as I've said and as you're pointed out, he could have been more empathetic. IMO, he demonstrated a degree of callousness that shouldn't be displayed from a public figure in the wake of such tragic events.

    So, yes, the tone of his message did offend me.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yes, that's exactly my point.

    However, I've also said I understood his point of view that: 1) federal dollars aren't that easy to come by in the face of our country's economic woes; and 2) that in order to provide said funds money would have to be pulled (or offset) from other programs.

    I heard him (or rather, I read his words) and the meaning came out clearly. Still, as I've said and as you're pointed out, he could have been more empathetic. IMO, he demonstrated a degree of callousness that shouldn't be displayed from a public figure in the wake of such tragic events.

    So, yes, the tone of his message did offend me.



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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Really?

    REALLY!?!

    People have lost their lives. Homes, businesses and property have all been destroyed. Entire towns lay in ruin. They're still finding bodies in Joplin. Folks down south of me in Tuscaloosa, AL are still homeless; some are even still hospitalized. And Congressman Cantor has the audacity to politicize federal disaster relief funds?

    REALLY!?!

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    You don't play politics with peoples' lives. He is trying to hold aid for these people hostage. That is just wrong. In an emergency such as this, you find the money and help the people. You don't say, "Do what I want or we won't help these people." If republicans are so great with the budget, why didn't President Bush pull this when sending aid after Katrina?
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    Is Cantor so stupid that he doesn't understand the difference between family finance and running a country? How dare he and other republicans hold these people hostage to try to get more budget cuts. This shows that they don't give a damn about the people of this country. He should be ashamed and so should anyone who votes for him ever again!
    Do you people not get it? WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY...NONE...ZERO...ZILCH...THERE IS NO MONEY TO SPEND...MONEY FOR HELP DOES NOT EXIST. The only way to get the money is to take it from somewhere else or print it. Printing it will destroy the economy, so the only viable option is to cut other programs to give to Joplin. Which is stupid any way...natural disasters are insured and I seriously doubt that more than 1 or 2% of the people in Joplin don't have coverage. If we are bailing out Joplin, we are really bailing out insurance companies so they don't have to pay for disasters that they are supposed to cover.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

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    Do you people not get it? WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY...NONE...ZERO...ZILCH...THERE IS NO MONEY TO SPEND...MONEY FOR HELP DOES NOT EXIST. The only way to get the money is to take it from somewhere else or print it. Printing it will destroy the economy, so the only viable option is to cut other programs to give to Joplin. Which is stupid any way...natural disasters are insured and I seriously doubt that more than 1 or 2% of the people in Joplin don't have coverage. If we are bailing out Joplin, we are really bailing out insurance companies so they don't have to pay for disasters that they are supposed to cover.
    Clearly, you are NOT reading my post entirely. Instead, you're just picking and choosing what you want to read.

    I've said it 3 TIMES that I understand the economic difficulties our country is in currently. I've also said I understand Congressman Cantor's point that in order to provide disaster relief funds to the victims of these natural (or man-made) disasters Congress would have to offset funds by reducing expenditures from other federally funded programs. I UNDERSTAND THAT and have said so in each of my posts.

    My problem with Cantor's remarks had everything to do with him politicizing the issue. If you can't understand how he used the tragedies to further the GOP call for still more spending cuts - right or wrong- then I can't make you see where in my view he went wrong in how he addressed the matter publically.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    1. We know our national economy is in disarray. No one is disbuting that.

    2. We also know hundreds of thousands of people have sustained substantial loses and lose of life due to the tornados that have swept across the country.

    3. We know from experience that with natural disasters as with the tonados in Joplin and Tuscaloosa and now the tornado that hit in the upper north-east w/their destructive power and the scale of damage they create, as well as the recent floods, these such storms cost millions, if not billions, in damages not to mention lost wages and loss of life.

    4. Cities and towns no matter how large or small, their residents nor businesses that have been affected by such storms can't recover from such large scale devastation on their own. They need the financial support from the community, from local charities, from businesses and business leaders, but most of all they need help from their local, state and federal governments.

    Now, although Eric Cantor did say "Congress will find the money," he also made it very clear that "disaster relief funds for the tornado victims in Joplin, Missouri must be paid for with cuts to other programs," and that such funding "will be offset" by those cuts. As such, based on the difficult budgeting negotiations in Congress and the GOP's insistance on large trillion dollar spending cuts before they do anything else as far as financial appropriations or raising the debt ceiling, it's clear that Cantor is putting politics before compassion and humanitarism. And in the face of still more natural disasters that have occurred within the last 24-hours and the very real likelihood that more such disaster are either still to come or remain in effect (i.e., the flooding along the Mississippi River along several states from as far north as Minnesota to as far south as New Orleans, LA), Cantor is playing a very dangerous game with people's lives, if not their very survival.

    That's why I have a problem with what he said. If he had said perhaps in a different way, "I understand the tragic losses people in Joplin and across the country have suffered due to these tornados and floods, but the federal government is running out of money to provide financial disaster relief support. As such, we're going to have to pull funds from other programs in order to try to make sure that emergency funds remain available to those who need it," I'd have totally agreed with him. But he didn't phrase his argument that way. As such, not only did he NOT come across as a compassionate public figure, he also came across as someone who has politicized a tragic event. IMHO, that is wrong!
    A tad sensitive, eh? From your explanation it appears you heard what you wanted to hear from the interview. It also appears sir, that you have politicized the event.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    I'm going to have to agree with Mo. It seemed to me that Cantor is detailing the problem of having too much debt and you heard Cantor trying to discredit left wing policies....maybe there is some cross over, but when Cantor says we have to find the money for the relief effort, he is stating a fact.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Do you people not get it? WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY...NONE...ZERO...ZILCH...THERE IS NO MONEY TO SPEND...MONEY FOR HELP DOES NOT EXIST. The only way to get the money is to take it from somewhere else or print it. Printing it will destroy the economy, so the only viable option is to cut other programs to give to Joplin. Which is stupid any way...natural disasters are insured and I seriously doubt that more than 1 or 2% of the people in Joplin don't have coverage. If we are bailing out Joplin, we are really bailing out insurance companies so they don't have to pay for disasters that they are supposed to cover.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Budget: An estimate, often itemized, of expected income and expense for a given period; a limited stock or supply of something (Dictionary.com).

    So I guess we just print some more money and everything and will be just fine, eh?

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    1) To stop giving her the thyroid medicine she needs, in order to balance my budget.

    2) To cut her back to one meal every 3 days in order to pay for it.

    3) Let her leg remain broken, so that I don't go deeper into debt.

    Hmm, you know, if I was that kind of a husband, my wife would divorce me in a heartbeat, because it would be obvious that I didn't give two craps about her. I think America needs to divorce today's Republican party.
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