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Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

Except a better analogy would be a family not paying the electricity bill to pay for an illness, it's not money that could be spent like he's implying, but money that will be spent.

Call me a commie, but I think money for disaster relief should arrive ASAP, and not have to go through a bureaucratic rigmarole.

No.

The nation can live without NPR and PBS.

The nation can live without welfare.

The nation can live without farm price supports.

There's roughly 70% of the budget the nation can live without,just fine.

Time for the libbies to grow up and realize they've done spent all the money on candy, and yet the baby still needs real food. Time for you people to give up your candy.
 
Really?

REALLY!?!

People have lost their lives. Homes, businesses and property have all been destroyed. Entire towns lay in ruin. They're still finding bodies in Joplin. Folks down south of me in Tuscaloosa, AL are still homeless; some are even still hospitalized. And Congressman Cantor has the audacity to politicize federal disaster relief funds?

REALLY!?!

U-N-F-R-E-A-K-I-N' REAL!!!

REALLY.

The fact of the matter is that the federal government has no business, no business at all, providing disaster relief for the states.

The individual home owners and business owners are expected to be mature adults who have the sense to carry umm...INSURANCE.

For some reason, you people think the residents of New York should pay to fix tornado damage in Missouri, pay for the fools who don't ask New Yorkers for permission to live on flood plains along the Mississippi, and to subsidize the crazies who live on the hurricane prone coastlines. There's no justice in that, and, btw, it's not allowed by the Constituon, either.

There's a state government in Mississippi. Those people have the responsibility to plan for and finance natural disaster recoveries in their state. They should be required to do their jobs and leave the nation's taxpayers alone.
 
You know, you wouldn't be making such foolish, dispassionate statements if one of those F5's bared down on your home, your family, your community. I've seen the devastation LIVE, IN PERSON! We're still cleaning up the mess all around north Alabama. Layla-Z is 1000% correct. You DON'T play politics with people's lives this way. I understand the budgetary problems our country is facing currently, but this is something you don't play political games with.

Sure you do.

Because otherwise EVERTHING becoms a national emergency and NOTHING is ever cut.

Every adult in Joplin had his responsiblity to provide proper shelter for his family in his home. NOT the people in Wisconsin. Not the people in Alaska. The people in the path of the tornado had the responbility to be prepared.
 
That's great that you could do that. Luckily you had a job and insurance, many don't. Luckily you weren't in the hospital so long that you lost your job and with it your insurance. Good thing you weren't laid off before you paid off the bill. Luckily nothing else major went wrong before you paid the bill. When getting you insurance, good thing you didn't have a pre-existing condition that kept you from getting insurance.

I know that some people take advantage of government programs when they really don't need them, but that is not true of everyone. Sometimes good responsible people need help.

Guess what, MOST DO.
 
I kinda agree with his sentiments, but I think its a dangerous political game considering that repub typically are talking about cutting money that goes to other segments of the population, typically the poor.

Actually, you know what? Wow, that actually sounds like good common sense, until... you think about it for two seconds. And then it just seems like bull**** masquerading as common sense. But all right, I'll allow it. All right, let's think about our country as a family. It's just like a family. So here's our country.

Daily Kos: Jon Stewart rips Eric Cantor for denying Joplin, MO, disaster relief

I thought the Stewart response was spot on.
 
That's great that you could do that. Luckily you had a job and insurance, many don't. Luckily you weren't in the hospital so long that you lost your job and with it your insurance. Good thing you weren't laid off before you paid off the bill. Luckily nothing else major went wrong before you paid the bill. When getting you insurance, good thing you didn't have a pre-existing condition that kept you from getting insurance.

I know that some people take advantage of government programs when they really don't need them, but that is not true of everyone. Sometimes good responsible people need help.

Yeah, luckily none of those things happened. But guess what? Had I been laid off or fired I would have qualified for Cobra and unemployment benefits. If for some reason those didn't come through I would have been able to subsist for at least three months on my "emergency saving" without dipping into my "house fund" savings. I prepare for downfalls and unfortunate situations. And when they happen, if my preparations aren't enough, I find a way. I don't stand around whining and demanding that somebody step in and take care of me. My life is my responsibility..Nobody elses.
 
Is it, can you cite in the Constitution where this is? Wait, you'll zero in on the phrase "General welfare". Context is everything, and you fail if you go there.

Homes and businesses, it's called INSURANCE, that you pay for. Don't have it, sucks to be you. School's are the School District/State's issue, and they rebuild those. That's just... duh part of Government to rebuild when it's buildings get waxed. Rebuild peoples homes? Businesses? Nope. Roads? Yes. Water supply? If it's municipal, certainly. If it's privately owned, nope.

How dare YOU ma'am, believe you have some right to other people hard earned money, how dare YOU ma'am assume you have some right to have others fix your life for you, how dare YOU ma'am use a tragic incident in a town like Joplin to score petty political points.

Cantor is the one trying to score political points. This should not be a political issue. I'm fine with my hard earned tax dollar going to help the people in Joplin just like I was fine with it going to help people in Katrina. I'm lucky enough to have a good home and insurance but I know that other aren't. If you want all of your tax money to go to buy another tank or aircraft carrier, that's fine but I truly hope that you are never in need of aid and that if you are it is provided for you.
 
No.

The nation can live without NPR and PBS.

The nation can live without welfare.

The nation can live without farm price supports.

There's roughly 70% of the budget the nation can live without,just fine.

Time for the libbies to grow up and realize they've done spent all the money on candy, and yet the baby still needs real food. Time for you people to give up your candy.

I love how you blame just the libs. Ever think of conservatives when you make these statements? They are just as bad.

I see virtually no difference between what you said and what he said.

As has already been mentioned, the problem with Cantor's statement is where repubs plan on getting the money from. If it was coming from "new car" expenditures i.e. military weapons then there wouldn't be a problem with the statement. However, the repubs would take it from things like food stamps.

Sure you do.

Because otherwise EVERTHING becoms a national emergency and NOTHING is ever cut.

Every adult in Joplin had his responsiblity to provide proper shelter for his family in his home. NOT the people in Wisconsin. Not the people in Alaska. The people in the path of the tornado had the responbility to be prepared.

You can't be that ignorant can you? You do realize that insurance, even assuming the entire town was insured, would not pay for the entire town's reconstruction.

Yeah, luckily none of those things happened. But guess what? Had I been laid off or fired I would have qualified for Cobra and unemployment benefits. If for some reason those didn't come through I would have been able to subsist for at least three months on my "emergency saving" without dipping into my "house fund" savings. I prepare for downfalls and unfortunate situations. And when they happen, if my preparations aren't enough, I find a way. I don't stand around whining and demanding that somebody step in and take care of me. My life is my responsibility..Nobody elses.

And you are lucky that you can do so. You know how much extra money I get a month right now? $20-$50


Actually, you know what? Wow, that actually sounds like good common sense, until... you think about it for two seconds. And then it just seems like bull**** masquerading as common sense. But all right, I'll allow it. All right, let's think about our country as a family. It's just like a family. So here's our country.

Daily Kos: Jon Stewart rips Eric Cantor for denying Joplin, MO, disaster relief

I thought the Stewart response was spot on.

I already made that point. Go back through the thread and read my replies. Also, thats the point I was making even in that quote, hence the kinda
 
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Yeah, luckily none of those things happened. But guess what? Had I been laid off or fired I would have qualified for Cobra and unemployment benefits. If for some reason those didn't come through I would have been able to subsist for at least three months on my "emergency saving" without dipping into my "house fund" savings. I prepare for downfalls and unfortunate situations. And when they happen, if my preparations aren't enough, I find a way. I don't stand around whining and demanding that somebody step in and take care of me. My life is my responsibility..Nobody elses.

I hope you never need help and that if you do, people like you are not making the decision about whether or not you get it.
 
I already made that point. Go back through the thread and read my replies. Also, thats the point I was making even in that quote, hence the kinda

I know. I was backing it up, I thought.
 
I hope you never need help and that if you do, people like you are not making the decision about whether or not you get it.

I won't be asking if I can avoid it. As I said, my life is my responsibility.
 
Is Cantor so stupid that he doesn't understand the difference between family finance and running a country? How dare he and other republicans hold these people hostage to try to get more budget cuts. This shows that they don't give a damn about the people of this country. He should be ashamed and so should anyone who votes for him ever again!

Does any politician actually care about any of us? I'd venture to say not bloody likely. They're all out for their own personal gain and party favor; that's it. That being said, it's sickening that the government will not respond to the needs of the People. They didn't say any of this when they took all our money and gave it away in bailout packages to the banks and hedge fund jerks. But when we need a little help it's different. This highlights exactly what I've been saying. The government is not here for us or our rights and liberties. They work for the new aristocracy, that's who they care about, that's who they bail out. I mean for ****'s sake, is New Orleans even rebuilt in full? Common folk...go **** yourself.
 
Jesus, for the 213425345634th time...Nobody said Joplin wouldn't get or would have to wait for funds. Cantor said that Joplin will get funding, and the costs of that funding will be offset by cuts from other areas. He's saying, "we're paying for this responsibly". And that's a good thing. This is reactionary, emotional crap at it's best. If Harry Reid had said it verbatim, would you still be freaking out, calling for his head on a spike?
 
Since when does the government do anything "responsibly"? It's just double speak
 
Since when does the government do anything "responsibly"? It's just double speak

I've learned my lesson. I'm not arguing ridiculous comments anymore. This isn't an argument, it's an emotional piece of text vomit.
 
I've learned my lesson. I'm not arguing ridiculous comments anymore. This isn't an argument, it's an emotional piece of text vomit.

Ikari isn't a bad guy, just way to jaded and vested in being a "libertarian".
 
Ikari isn't a bad guy, just way to jaded and vested in being a "libertarian".

I hate probably 80% of liberal ideology. I think it's bad for the country. But I don't hate liberals. They honestly think (or so it seems) that their methods are best. But emotional generalizations and baiting attackings against the opposition are pointless. Avoiding reality specifically so you can blame the other guy? Also pointless. Not that Ikari is as guilty of the last, but plenty are.
 
Jesus, for the 213425345634th time...Nobody said Joplin wouldn't get or would have to wait for funds. Cantor said that Joplin will get funding, and the costs of that funding will be offset by cuts from other areas. He's saying, "we're paying for this responsibly". And that's a good thing. This is reactionary, emotional crap at it's best. If Harry Reid had said it verbatim, would you still be freaking out, calling for his head on a spike?

You aren't putting it into context. All republicans want to destroy social programs. The money would be taken from programs like Food Stamps. This is why people are like "wtf"
 
You aren't putting it into context. All republicans want to destroy social programs. The money would be taken from programs like Food Stamps. This is why people are like "wtf"

Do you have an article linking to the food stamp cut specifically to pay for Joplin?

Further, would you not agree that our entitlement programs are 33% of our budget, and therefore a significant part of our debt, as well as completely unsustainable in their current state? Destroying and reshaping are two entirely different things. We can fear-monger and hyperbolize the situation all we want, but it won't make those statements reality.
 
Further, would you not agree that our entitlement programs are 33% of our budget, and therefore a significant part of our debt, as well as completely unsustainable in their current state? Destroying and reshaping are two entirely different things. We can fear-monger and hyperbolize the situation all we want, but it won't make those statements reality.

The entire point of the medicare change purposed by Ryan is to make the program worthless in the long term. My contention is not with the fact, but the way it is being presented as "saving the program" its lying and many americans realize that
 
The entire point of the medicare change purposed by Ryan is to make the program worthless in the long term.

It was a proposal to make the program viable. Ideologically, some disagree on whether or not it would work. Unfortunately, the democrats have no proposed a plan at all, let alone a viable one. We can talk about one plan all day, if you'd like. I would rather focus on the bigger issue...that we need to do SOMETHING and our representatives are responsible for coming up with a plan. All of them. And so far, only one guy has. That's pretty sad, when you think about it.
 
It was a proposal to make the program viable. Ideologically, some disagree on whether or not it would work. Unfortunately, the democrats have no proposed a plan at all, let alone a viable one. We can talk about one plan all day, if you'd like. I would rather focus on the bigger issue...that we need to do SOMETHING and our representatives are responsible for coming up with a plan. All of them. And so far, only one guy has. That's pretty sad, when you think about it.

They should of saved it for the 2012 election. The repubs ****ed up by making it an issue early on instead of waiting when the plan would have actually been moderate to actually win the election. For instance, the plan would go a long way to win over independents if it didn't start at 55. Theres no way in hell that a person can save enough money in 5-10 years to cover 20+ years of medical expenses.

Besides, if you are going to have contention that "at least they are doing something" then you should of blamed the repubs (minus Ron Paul) for not having something to offer during the health care debate. Good for the goose good for the gander
 
They should of saved it for the 2012 election. The repubs ****ed up by making it an issue early on instead of waiting when the plan would have actually been moderate to actually win the election. For instance, the plan would go a long way to win over independents if it didn't start at 55. Theres no way in hell that a person can save enough money in 5-10 years to cover 20+ years of medical expenses.

Besides, if you are going to have contention that "at least they are doing something" then you should of blamed the repubs (minus Ron Paul) for not having something to offer during the health care debate. Good for the goose good for the gander

We shouldn't be waiting for an election. We shouldn't be holding off on helping the country just so somebody can win re-election. Obama should be the leader he claimed he would be, encourage the bipartisanship he claimed he wanted to see..and he should be stepping in and guiding talks and compromises. We have spent $4 trillion in 2.5 years. We can't keep spending like that. It needs to stop ASAP, not after the next election cycle because of some sort of strategic plan. I'm tired of making excuses for politicians. Turn out results. Stop *****footing around issues. Make a decision, defend it honestly, and do what we sent you to D.C. to do, what we pay you to do.

The health care program shouldn't have passed. There was nothing to offer to a program that they intended to repeal.
 
The health care program shouldn't have passed. There was nothing to offer to a program that they intended to repeal.

After this I'm done derailing

The repubs offered no solutions (minus Ron Paul) for fixing health care for the same reason why dems aren't now.
 
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