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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

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    You know, you wouldn't be making such foolish, dispassionate statements if one of those F5's bared down on your home, your family, your community. I've seen the devastation LIVE, IN PERSON! We're still cleaning up the mess all around north Alabama. Layla-Z is 1000% correct. You DON'T play politics with people's lives this way. I understand the budgetary problems our country is facing currently, but this is something you don't play political games with.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    OK, so heres the only way Cantor's analogy can hold. If the money is taken away from new military planes, retrofitting buildings, subsides, etc.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You know, you wouldn't be making such foolish, dispassionate statements if one of those F5's bared down on your home, your family, your community. I've seen the devastation LIVE, IN PERSON! We're still cleaning up the mess all around north Alabama. Layla-Z is 1000% correct. You DON'T play politics with people's lives this way. I understand the budgetary problems our country is facing currently, but this is something you don't play political games with.
    I've lived through multiple hurricanes in South Florida that caused me great damage and financial loss, including Hurricane Andrew. (That's one reason I moved.) Luckily for me, no one in my family was injured. I don't recall receiving any federal assistance for my troubles and misery. And by the way, I have family in Tuscaloosa, so don't get pompous with me.

    Besides, the issue isn't about helping people, it's about using funds to pay for disaster relief that was earmarked for something else. Cantor said Congress will find the money. It amazes me that people like you want to politicize this issue. You must have no concept of fiscal responsibilities. You also must think money grows on trees.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    First, I'll be pompous with whomever I please.

    Second, I'm sorry you experience such a tragedy. Glad to know you made it through okay. But can't you see why your apparant cold-heartedness seems offensive and dispassionate to myself and others? You lived through one of the most destructive hurricans on record, but seem to be taking this attitude of "I got through it on my own, so can everyone else." No! Not everyone has the means to recover from such devastation let alone do so so quickly.

    Third, I know our country is in economic disarray, but to me Cantor comes across as attempting to use disaster relief spending for tornado victims in those areas the President has declared disaster areas as just another "political football for spending cuts." Yes, he did say Congress would find the money, but as a politican when you say things that give the impression that you're more concerned about the budgetary process than you are about the general welfare of the people who have sufferred great tragedy in their lives, that speaks to the man's character. It's as if what Cantor is really saying to tornado victims is, "Sorry, but you guys will just have to suck it up," and that's not right.
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Okay for the sake of argument. Considering the track record of both sides coming to a agreement on anything, how long will it be before those poor people in Joplin will receive money? If this was in Cantor's district, I bet this wouldn't be a issue. Its amazing that repubs like Cantor can rush to the aid of the wealthy americans (which is not paid for by the way) and be a penny pitcher to their poorer countrymen.

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Wait...so saying that we're gonna send funding, but also saying that we'll re-focus money to provide it is somehow holding Joplin hostage? All he's saying is that they're not just going to use the credit card, but will instead (responsibily) find money to help Joplin recover. Seems fine to me...
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    First, I'll be pompous with whomever I please.

    Second, I'm sorry you experience such a tragedy. Glad to know you made it through okay. But can't you see why your apparant cold-heartedness seems offensive and dispassionate to myself and others? You lived through one of the most destructive hurricans on record, but seem to be taking this attitude of "I got through it on my own, so can everyone else." No! Not everyone has the means to recover from such devastation let alone do so so quickly.

    Third, I know our country is in economic disarray, but to me Cantor comes across as attempting to use disaster relief spending for tornado victims in those areas the President has declared disaster areas as just another "political football for spending cuts." A)Yes, he did say Congress would find the money, but as a politican when you say things that give the impression that you're more concerned about the budgetary process than you are about the general welfare of the people who have sufferred great tragedy in their lives, that speaks to the man's character. B)It's as if what Cantor is really saying to tornado victims is, "Sorry, but you guys will just have to suck it up," and that's not right.
    A) How did he give that impression?

    B) I seriously have no idea know how you inferred that...
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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Republican slogan for 2012: Big oil gets taxpayer subsidies, the rest of you are on your own.
    Well, in America you're supposed to know when your company is going to lay you off... and when a tornado is going to hit your town. Be proactive and move to a new location. We're all supposed to keep uhaul on speed-dial.

    /sarcasm off...

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    Re: Eric Cantor: Disaster Relief For Joplin Tornado Victims Must Be Offset

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    A) How did he give that impression?

    B) I seriously have no idea know how you inferred that...
    On Sunday, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) reiterated his position that disaster relief funds for the tornado victims in Joplin, Missouri must be paid for with cuts to other programs. "Congress will find the money," Cantor said on CBS' “Face the Nation” "And it will be offset."
    1. We know our national economy is in disarray. No one is disbuting that.

    2. We also know hundreds of thousands of people have sustained substantial loses and lose of life due to the tornados that have swept across the country.

    3. We know from experience that with natural disasters as with the tonados in Joplin and Tuscaloosa and now the tornado that hit in the upper north-east w/their destructive power and the scale of damage they create, as well as the recent floods, these such storms cost millions, if not billions, in damages not to mention lost wages and loss of life.

    4. Cities and towns no matter how large or small, their residents nor businesses that have been affected by such storms can't recover from such large scale devastation on their own. They need the financial support from the community, from local charities, from businesses and business leaders, but most of all they need help from their local, state and federal governments.

    Now, although Eric Cantor did say "Congress will find the money," he also made it very clear that "disaster relief funds for the tornado victims in Joplin, Missouri must be paid for with cuts to other programs," and that such funding "will be offset" by those cuts. As such, based on the difficult budgeting negotiations in Congress and the GOP's insistance on large trillion dollar spending cuts before they do anything else as far as financial appropriations or raising the debt ceiling, it's clear that Cantor is putting politics before compassion and humanitarism. And in the face of still more natural disasters that have occurred within the last 24-hours and the very real likelihood that more such disaster are either still to come or remain in effect (i.e., the flooding along the Mississippi River along several states from as far north as Minnesota to as far south as New Orleans, LA), Cantor is playing a very dangerous game with people's lives, if not their very survival.

    That's why I have a problem with what he said. If he had said perhaps in a different way, "I understand the tragic losses people in Joplin and across the country have suffered due to these tornados and floods, but the federal government is running out of money to provide financial disaster relief support. As such, we're going to have to pull funds from other programs in order to try to make sure that emergency funds remain available to those who need it," I'd have totally agreed with him. But he didn't phrase his argument that way. As such, not only did he NOT come across as a compassionate public figure, he also came across as someone who has politicized a tragic event. IMHO, that is wrong!
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 06-02-11 at 12:45 PM.

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