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    Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Marine Veteran 60 Times - ABC News

    By ELLEN TUMPOSKY
    May 20, 2011
    A Tucson, Ariz., SWAT team defends shooting an Iraq War veteran 60 times during a drug raid, although it declines to say whether it found any drugs in the house and has had to retract its claim that the veteran shot first.

    And the Pima County sheriff, whose team conducted the raid, scolded the media for "questioning the legality" of the shooting.

    Jose Guerena, 26, died the morning of May 5. He was asleep in his Tucson home after working a night shift at the Asarco copper mine when his wife, Vanessa, saw the armed SWAT team outside her youngest son's bedroom window.

    "She saw a man pointing at her with a gun," said Reyna Ortiz, 29, a relative who is caring for Vanessa and her children. Ortiz said Vanessa Guerena yelled, "Don't shoot! I have a baby!"
    They wouldn't let the medics inside, and he died.

    Tragic.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    The fact that he was a veteran doesn't mean anything - at all - in this unfortunate situation. When I read that (in this and other stories) I feel as if it's an emotional ploy to get more attention or sympathy.

    What's happened, here, is a situation that could easily happen to anyone whenever they are armed and in this situation - it's ****ty but what should have been done differently? *shrug* I can see how this played out from all points of view - even the lie that was told to try to cover things up. so I guess I can't choose a side or emotional pedistal. It's just sad.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Yeah, I did a search first, and the name didn't come up. I've asked the mods to meld the threads (for future reference).

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Well "why did you shoot him" isn't so much what should be asked - he was holding a firearm. . . looking just at *that exchange* - it's not actually hard to imagine just *what* went on to lead to his killing.

    What SHOULD be asked and investigated is 'WHY did you believe we were drug dealers' and 'why did you invade OUR home?'

    From the sound of it - they shouldn't have even BEEN there in their home to begin with. . . but yet the focus is going to be on the tragedy of the situation - not the overal ridiculousness that the situatous even began to happen in the first place.

    Sounds to me like they conducted this entire operation without ANY evidence and without a remote notion of what they were *actually* doing - when you hear of drug raids going on you really hope that they've *done their homework* first and are targeting *actual known and feloneous dealers* who are better off dead via this means than on the street.

    There's more to it than his death - and I think the department is actually relieved to see everyone's focused on the exchange and his death than the fact that they shouldn't have ben there *at all* to begin with.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Shooting the guy 60 times certainly seems to be overdoing it a bit, even if he was armed. And they were definitely wrong not to let paramedics in to treat the guy until an hour later.

    It's a shame to see the sheriff's department trying to cover their asses and make sure they don't come out looking bad rather than investigating how this could have happened and how to make sure it never happens again.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    I'm reading on recent threads how grateful everyone is for a veteran's service and how heroic all of them are, but they can still be shot like dogs, in their own beds.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    From the sound of it - they shouldn't have even BEEN there in their home to begin with. . . but yet the focus is going to be on the tragedy of the situation - not the overal ridiculousness that the situatous even began to happen in the first place.
    Indeed. The whole thing could have been avoided if the courts required the police to actually serve the warrant before using force. They knock on the door, he puts down the rifle, and they have a nice little chat like civilized human beings about the whole misunderstanding. Presumably they have to search his house anyway because of the warrant, and presumably he's not stupid enough to resist what he now recognizes as police officers.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    ^ This.

    I never understood the smash and grab approach of SWAT. Of course if someone's door is being busted down abruptly they are more likely to go on the defensive. 60 times though? That's overkill (no pun intended).

    Does it even need to be said? This wouldn't happen if the war on drugs were a thing of the past. We wouldn't have SWAT teams breaking into people's homes and getting into gun fights over plant-based substances.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    60 times though? That's overkill (no pun intended).
    When police shoot, they shoot until you fall down. Figure there's at least four cops, armed either with assault rifles or submachine guns. Eighteen rounds each. You're talking about two or three seconds. Center mass, small caliber, he would have stayed on his feet until his brain shut off. He was dead before he hit the floor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Does it even need to be said? This wouldn't happen if the war on drugs were a thing of the past. We wouldn't have SWAT teams breaking into people's homes and getting into gun fights over plant-based substances.
    Sarin gas is a plant-based substance.

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