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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Yesterday, an east Oak Cliff man was sentenced to life in prison for killing an officer by firing through the door. The Cops were kicking in his door to serve a warrant against a cousin of his who wasn't even there at the time. He claimed that he thought that they were intruders.

    What ever happened to knocking on the door first?
    How do you know they didnt and the man just didnt hear them at first because he was sleeping or something?
    The Cops could have knocked, the defendant could have opened the door and told them that his cousin wasn't there. Let them search the house, whatever. Instead we get a deceased LEO and a man in the pen for a couple of decades.
    And that could have already happened that the LEOs knocked and the guy didnt hear it in his sleep.

    This all started when LEOs began being trained to "control the situation". Looks like some situations can't be readily controlled.
    Whats your problem with law enforcement controlling the situation?

    Im sorry, before I show up to a domestic where the two parties continue to argue and cuss each other like I was not even there I am going to "control the situation".
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The original federal civil seizure laws were so badly abused that Congress actually modified the legislation to address it. Iirc, it was the first time in a long time that Congress relegistated a law that quickly, and without the Supreme Courts intervention.

    Not sure of the details, but it WAS limited to reduce abuse.
    It wasn't limited enough. I believe it's unconstitutional and am stunned that after these abusive laws being in effect for more than 25 years they haven't been taken to SCOTUS and overturned.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What was the rationale offered for that?
    As the law was written, they didn't have to, so neither the city manager, the financial officer (me), nor the city council had any access to the money the police department raked in. In Orange County, all the cities' police departments used a county impound and auction yard, and took the money straight back to their own departments.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Jackboots always come in matched pairs, a left boot and a right boot.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Highway View Post
    And, in non surprising fashion.....

    it turns out that the "family" side of the story... as usual, depicted a man who was a hard working family man who did no wrong......

    HAH!

    I now also laugh at you folks who claim this was all about a little pot smoking.....
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    No convictions on his record. He owned a Border Patrol hat, some commercial plastic wrap, 6 cars, a couple of assault rifles, and a pistol.

    No drugs were found in his residence. He raised his weapon, but never released the safety. Post traumatic stress syndrome induced suicide by Cop is my diagnosis.

    Was he involved in drug dealing? I believe that he probably was, yet there's no capital punishment offense for drug dealing. I think he just wanted to clear his head from what he saw in Iraq.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Post traumatic stress syndrome induced suicide by Cop is my diagnosis
    and your expertise in the field is exactly what, too much time and a connection to the internet?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Was he involved in drug dealing? I believe that he probably was, yet there's no capital punishment offense for drug dealing. I think he just wanted to clear his head from what he saw in Iraq.
    1) if he was only interested in clearing his head, then he would be doing drugs, not running them

    2) look, I hate cops as much as the next guy, but you raise your weapon at someone, regardless if the safety is engaged, or not, be prepared to trade rounds with them

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    They could have just knocked first. When men with guns kick down my door, my first thoughts are not police.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    They could have just knocked first. When men with guns kick down my door, my first thoughts are not police.
    according to the above article they ran a siren, and stated they were cops, before trying to enter

    Edit: rereading the article it says they played a siren, then knocked, before entering
    Last edited by ManofthPeephole; 06-16-11 at 11:16 AM.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    They could have just knocked first. When men with guns kick down my door, my first thoughts are not police.
    Ahem..... L2Read.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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