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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Listen, I don't agree with what happened here either.

    But, don't change the facts of the case in order to express your melodramatic reaction.

    "smoking pot" and "trafficking pot" are two different things.
    Not really. They're still doing it because they don't want people to smoke pot. The only difference is WHO they're trying to stop (i.e. the perpetrator or the perpetrator's customers). But they're morally pretty much the same. If the government would end its irrational obsession with people smoking pot, stories like this could be avoided entirely.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not really. They're still doing it because they don't want people to smoke pot. The only difference is WHO they're trying to stop (i.e. the perpetrator or the perpetrator's customers). But they're morally pretty much the same. If the government would end its irrational obsession with people smoking pot, stories like this could be avoided entirely.
    I agree.
    However, when you change the facts to make it look like they were after the guy for having a joint, its HIGHLY dishonest of you.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I agree.
    However, when you change the facts to make it look like they were after the guy for having a joint, its HIGHLY dishonest of you.
    I didn't say that at all. I said:
    In our government's mind, some dead families are a small price worth paying to stop the horror of someone smoking pot.
    That doesn't necessarily refer to the people who they shot.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Anyone notice how these are always the result of drug investigations?????
    Yeah, funny, that. So many **** ups and innocents killed, you’d almost think that these are ill-advised laws being over-zealously enforced by local police stations eager to confiscate property from the accused. Someone should look into that.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    Yeah, funny, that. So many **** ups and innocents killed, you’d almost think that these are ill-advised laws being over-zealously enforced by local police stations eager to confiscate property from the accused. Someone should look into that.
    Think what you want......
    Ive never noticed an eager-ness to enforce laws just for the purpose of confiscating property in my 5 years in law enforcement. And ive even seized stuff.

    But, meh, Im sure you have some sort of factual and articulate basis to form your opinion as to the mental state, motivation, and purpose of these departments/officers enforcing these laws.

    Surely you wouldn't just be speculating out of general disdain for law enforcement in general. People don't do that....
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Think what you want......
    Ive never noticed an eager-ness to enforce laws just for the purpose of confiscating property in my 5 years in law enforcement. And ive even seized stuff.

    But, meh, Im sure you have some sort of factual and articulate basis to form your opinion as to the mental state, motivation, and purpose of these departments/officers enforcing these laws.

    Surely you wouldn't just be speculating out of general disdain for law enforcement in general. People don't do that....

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Listen, I don't agree with what happened here either.

    But, don't change the facts of the case in order to express your melodramatic reaction.

    "smoking pot" and "trafficking pot" are two different things.
    Trafficking pot dealers need to be shot 60 times? Pull your damn head out. Law enforcement has reached tyrannical proportions.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Trafficking pot dealers need to be shot 60 times? Pull your damn head out. Law enforcement has reached tyrannical proportions.
    You think it was one guy shooting him and he was counting?

    It was several guys shooting, and nobody counts when they think they are about to be shot by a guy with an assault rifle.

    Pull YOUR damn head out.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You think it was one guy shooting him and he was counting?

    It was several guys shooting, and nobody counts when they think they are about to be shot by a guy with an assault rifle.

    Pull YOUR damn head out.
    If law enforcement needs SWAT teams to bust pot dealers (misdemeanor by the way), they are chicken ****. I also wouldn't be surprised if his assault rifle was found and loaded after he was already dead.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If law enforcement needs SWAT teams to bust pot dealers (misdemeanor by the way), they are chicken ****. I also wouldn't be surprised if his assault rifle was found and loaded after he was already dead.
    Trafficking Marijuana is not a misdemeanor.

    As per the rest of your comment.... It doesnt surprise me that a person so anti-police would suggest such an idiotic thing.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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