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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Anyone notice how these are always the result of drug investigations?????
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Marine Veteran 60 Times - ABC News



    They wouldn't let the medics inside, and he died.

    Tragic.
    You know what I find interesting while reading the article.
    This
    Double homicide: Manuel Francisco Orozco, 36; and wife Cynthia Orozco, 34 - Rynski's Day of the Dead
    That they linked to about the Wife's Family.

    Home invations like that RARELY happen to folks outside of the drug trade.
    Ive worked several home invations, and I've never worked one that wasn't centered around drug trade.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Police are claiming they found icons to Jesus Malverde in the home. It's not exactly a smoking gun, but there's absolutely no other reason to have that icon in your home, assuming that the police are not as mistaken about that as they were about Mr. Guerena firing his weapon.
    Last edited by Korimyr the Rat; 06-04-11 at 07:43 PM.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Yeah - I'm outright surprised that the use of SWAT doesn't necessitate more dire circumstances. I thought they were only called on for hostage situations and things of that extreme nature - not just to possibly arrest a drug dealer . . . and this guy wasn't actually *ever* a drug dealer - so a short investigation would have made that known and he would still be here completely unscathed.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    After having read the linked story, I'd say this is more than just tragic. It was law enforcement reckless negligence that bordered on criminal. I hope a thorough investigation... an objective one... is conducted.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Sarin gas is a plant-based substance.
    People use it to get high/altered?

    If they are mass producing a toxic substance, then that has terrorism potential and that falls under the purview of the FBI or even CIA.

    As you can see in the chart below, the most common plant-based psychoactives have both low dependence and low overdose potentials.



    If you want to compare something like sarin gas to common drugs, then at least make sure the comparison is adpt.

    And in this case, we were not dealing with a drug lab, but simple possession. There is no need for anyone to be dying over that. The ability of SWAT to execute people is too unrestricted for my taste.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    You realize that almost everything on that chart is plant-based, right? Heroin comes from poppies.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You realize that almost everything on that chart is plant-based, right? Heroin comes from poppies.
    I know, but heroin gets you high, as opposed to sarin.

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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Anyone notice how these are always the result of drug investigations?????
    Yep. The SWAT teams are worried that people will flush the evidence down the toilet if they make their presence known, instead of busting in like a home invader. In our government's mind, some dead families are a small price worth paying to stop the horror of someone smoking pot.
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    Re: Arizona SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yep. The SWAT teams are worried that people will flush the evidence down the toilet if they make their presence known, instead of busting in like a home invader. In our government's mind, some dead families are a small price worth paying to stop the horror of someone smoking pot.
    Listen, I don't agree with what happened here either.

    But, don't change the facts of the case in order to express your melodramatic reaction.

    "smoking pot" and "trafficking pot" are two different things.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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