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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If parents choos to enroll their children there then they shoul be the ones to watch out for any and all activity and raise concerns, etc.
    You seem to be operating under the misapprehension that parents wouldn't do this to their children on purpose.

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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The way I see it. This is a Michael Jackson type of accusation. The school gets accused over and over again of abusing and hurting children but it manages to get away through settlements and legal maneuvering. At the end of the day, the only people who don't want to acknowledge what is obvious are the true believers. Everyone else sees the issue for what it is.
    False analogy. MJ was tried, faced his accusers, and found to be innocent. Furthermore, almost none of the kids who had been w/MJ said anything negative about him.

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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm vaguely familiar with these programs; to the best of my knowledge, they tend to focus on substance addiction and anti-social tendencies, and not "de-gaying" teenagers. I don't believe that Cross Creek is more faith-based than a 12-step program.
    Did you read post 15? The "co-founder" reeks of holier than thou tendencies. That type of fanaticism is bound to spill over into anything he does.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    False analogy. MJ was tried, faced his accusers, and found to be innocent.
    What a weak memory your insolent little mind has.

    1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On January 25, 1994 the Chandler's lawsuit was settled out of court with $15.3 million to be held in a trust fund for Jordan,[33] $1.5 million for each of his parents[34] and the family's lawyer slated to receive $3 million based on a September 1993 retainer,[35] for a total of $21 million (or according to CNN, $5 million for a total of $23 million).[34] Jackson's insurance company "negotiated and paid the settlement over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel" and was "the source of the settlement amounts"; as noted in People v. Jackson in 2005.[36] A number of precedents in California had established the right for an insurer to control the settling of claims covered by the insurance without interference from the insured.[36] Overturning a precedent involves convincing a court to overrule the precedent, if it has the power to do so,[37] or convincing it to distinguish the case.[38] In 2004, Jackson's attorney Thomas Mesereau said, "People who intended to earn millions of dollars from his record and music promotions did not want negative publicity from these lawsuits interfering with their profits...Mr. Jackson now realizes the advice he received was wrong."[39] The settlement did not prevent the Chandlers from sharing information about the case in a criminal investigation or testifying in criminal trial.[40][41] The criminal investigation continued. Police investigating in two different counties never pressed charges.[42][43] Grand juries in Santa Barbara County and Los Angeles County before and after the settlement refused to indict Jackson.[26][44][45] After Jordan Chandler refused to testify in criminal proceedings, the state closed its criminal investigation citing lack of evidence on September 22, 1994.[46] Sneddon said two other possible victims had been identified out of 400 witnesses interviewed, but one was in therapy and asked not to be involved and the other was out of the country and had made a "general denial" of wrongdoing by Jackson.[46] In June 1994, prosecutors and detectives had flew to Australia to again question Wade Robson who said he had slept in the same bed as Jackson and again he said nothing bad happened.[43] Jackson's support amongst the public began to waver, and his public image was tarnished to a degree.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    From your own quote...

    Jackson's insurance company "negotiated and paid the settlement over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel" and was "the source of the settlement amounts"; as noted in People v. Jackson in 2005.
    ...what was your point again?
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