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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Several things need to be said. First, the facility she was at was run by World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. They have a long record of being subject to lawsuits, most of which(but not all) don't succeed. The facility itself is Cross Creek Programs. I can find no evidence yet that either targets being gay as a reason to work with a child.

    The report is simply her word. Without some sort of backing, it really is impossible to say that she was sent there due to her sexuality. Further, she does not actually say it was for that, she just kinda thought it might be. It does not pay to jump to conclusions however.

    Lastly: that is painful reading, and if even only a small part of it is true, I admit to wishing bad things to happen to those who perpetrated it, those who turned a blind eye, those who defend the program, and most of all to parents who would actually put their children through it.
    The fact that it's been through so many lawsuits provides reason for suspicion in itself. And the fact that those didn't succeed doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    There are endless reports of child molestation and other abuses in The Family (a Christian cult). I actually met someone who escaped The Family, which prompted me to look into them.

    Yet they never seem to get pinned. And in fact, they run the C Street Center that a lot of politicians frequent. Including some, like Ensign, accused and/or convicted of some pretty serious crimes.

    Is their political power why they keep escaping scrutiny? Probably. I just find it hard to believe hundreds of cases of such abuse are all lies.

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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    If anything in that report is factual, it is utterly appalling. Teenagers are emotionally vulnerable and insecure at the best of times, and gay teenagers are tormented by their own feelings of guilt and shame heaped upon them by a cold, judgmental society. My heart goes out to this child.

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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    The fact that it's been through so many lawsuits provides reason for suspicion in itself. And the fact that those didn't succeed doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    There are endless reports of child molestation and other abuses in The Family (a Christian cult). I actually met someone who escaped The Family, which prompted me to look into them.

    Yet they never seem to get pinned. And in fact, they run the C Street Center that a lot of politicians frequent. Including some, like Ensign, accused and/or convicted of some pretty serious crimes.

    Is their political power why they keep escaping scrutiny? Probably. I just find it hard to believe hundreds of cases of such abuse are all lies.
    I certainly did not mean to imply that there was not strong evidence that Cross Creek and WWASPS are vile organizations. However, strong evidence is not the same thing as conclusive evidence.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Cross Creek is a place for troubled teens. . . I got the feeling that this person still has serious issues they need to seek help for. Naturally, we're reading this person's interpretation of the experiences through their view - not the view of the parent or others so questions like "what problems were present to necessitate enrolling you in Cross Creek" go without answer via this link and from this person's story of events.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    After reading this article I think I'm a bit more inclined to believe the girl in the OP's link....

    When asked about his success, and about the criticism surrounding the school network that he created, he makes reference to his fervent Mormon faith.

    God is the key to his accomplishments, he says, and Satan is stirring up his foes.

    "We're here getting kids off drugs and other evils," Lichfield said during a rare interview at the headquarters of the World Wide Assn. of Specialty Programs and Schools. "We're here connecting kids with their families. We're here getting kids in touch with their higher source.

    "Do I believe, being a God-believing person, that the adversary to all good is going to sit back and let that happen without a major unleashing of dark forces? No, I don't."
    LA Times ~ Key to His Schools' Success? It's God, Founder Says

    Sorry but anyone that speaks like this (in an interview no less, where thousands...if not millions of people will view it) you can be sure that they transfer thier beliefs into everything that they start/do. And all that implies.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Cross Creek is a place for troubled teens. . . I got the feeling that this person still has serious issues they need to seek help for. Naturally, we're reading this person's interpretation of the experiences through their view - not the view of the parent or others so questions like "what problems were present to necessitate enrolling you in Cross Creek" go without answer via this link and from this person's story of events.
    You cannot be serious
    This incident disgusts me. Although I didn't read the entire story, I did read parts of it, and made me wondering why these organizations are still existent
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Numerous former students or their parents have filed lawsuits against WWASPS, its personnel, or individual schools. Most have been settled out of court or dismissed for procedural reasons. For example, a 2005 lawsuit filed in California on behalf of more than 20 plaintiffs was dismissed because the judge found that California lacked jurisdiction. In June 2007, Utah attorney Thomas M. Burton told a reporter that six suits he had filed against WWASPS on behalf of his clients had been dismissed on procedural grounds.
    So apparently these guys are good at arguing their way out of ever having to defend themselves in the first place.

    On August 31, 2007, Randall Hinton was convicted of one count each of third degree assault and false imprisonment, for mistreating students at the WWASP-affiliated Royal Gorge Academy, of which he was manager and co-founder.
    ...But apparently they haven't escaped them all.

    The fact that most of the cases haven't been dismissed due to the weakness of the case itself makes me further suspicious.

    World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Apparently the organization has closed down, but still technically exists until they finish squirming out of all their lawsuits.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    John McCAin was tortured..

    Does anyone know for sure??

    What motive does this girl have to lie?? While I believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty.. I don't think we should blow off her report as untrue and do nothing.. I mean based on the logic of some of you.. Why on earth is a witness even valueable in court.. Because you just don't know for sure!!

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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    It would be interesting to hear the parents' side of the story.
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    Re: A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah brainwashing facility

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    You cannot be serious
    This incident disgusts me. Although I didn't read the entire story, I did read parts of it, and made me wondering why these organizations are still existent
    Without any information on this person's life and situation other than their blog entry I cannot possibly draw a deep conclusion about the validity, facts, truth or real story - I side with parents when the child in question is possibly *really* messed up.

    For all we know this person's making *everything up* beginning to end just for ****s and giggles.
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