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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I can tell this isn't going anywhere. Chavez said what he said about mars out of the socialist ideological point that capitalism would lead to consumption of all resources until self destruction of the hypothetical civilization. But when you cut and paste and slap it on a newspaper and toss it around the blogosphere you can make anyone seem like an idiot.
    Suggesting that is foolish. Chavez is a demagogue who seems to only care about keeping his power over the nation of Venezuela. I'm sure most who agree and support Chavez would have problems if some redneck leader of some country said socialism killed life on Mars by ensuring that everyone lived in equal poverty which resulted in the mass starvation of the LGM. It would be just as moronic. Venezuela funds terrorist groups in Colombia that are constantly kidnapping, killing, and trafficking drugs. They should be sanctioned.
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    Suggesting that is foolish. Chavez is a demagogue who seems to only care about keeping his power over the nation of Venezuela.
    Except for the whole getting elected 7 times part in free and fair elections... and allowing an *cough* American supported opposition of white upper class folks to get elected to their government.


    I'm sure most who agree and support Chavez would have problems if some redneck leader of some country said socialism killed life on Mars by ensuring that
    everyone lived in equal poverty which resulted in the mass starvation of the LGM. It would be just as moronic.
    One would be valid according to the socialist take on capitalism, another would be an invalid take on socialism...

    Venezuela funds terrorist groups in Colombia that are constantly kidnapping, killing, and trafficking drugs. They should be sanctioned.
    Why hasn't action been taken on it? Do you have evidence they are lending them support? Sounds like it would be hard to come by through more than hearsay...

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Except for the whole getting elected 7 times part in free and fair elections... and allowing an *cough* American supported opposition of white upper class folks to get elected to their government.
    The dude altered the Venezuelan Constitution in order to be elected as many times as he wants. It's all about power. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the elections were fraudulent. Chavez has his political opposition jailed or "disappear" like some thug.

    One would be valid according to the socialist take on capitalism, another would be an invalid take on socialism...
    So you're saying comments regarding capitalism destroying life on Mars is valid, but extreme rhetoric of socialism is invalid? It's all demagoguery and neither example is valid or logical.
    Why hasn't action been taken on it? Do you have evidence they are lending them support? Sounds like it would be hard to come by through more than hearsay...
    Venezuela Wanted FARC to Act as Hit Men, RealClearWorld - The Compass Blog The FARC is one of the terrorist organizations that engage in guerrilla warfare and terrorism in Colombia. It's pretty evident that Venezuela funds them and may even use them as hit men to kill political opponents in Venezuela. Colombia has also accused Venezuela of funding this terrorist organization.

    In Venezuela do you really think that political opposition is free and has a right to challenge Chavez? Political opponents are crushed by an abuse of state power at the hands of the Chavez regime. He's nothing more than a socialist dictator who uses thug tactics to crush opposition.

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the elections were fraudulent. Chavez has his political opposition jailed or "disappear" like some thug.
    They're monitored elections... and alot of the opposition are doing things like planning coups and assasinations. But they get the 'opposition' card.

    So you're saying comments regarding capitalism destroying life on Mars is valid, but extreme rhetoric of socialism is invalid? It's all demagoguery and neither example is valid or logical.
    It'd be a long convo as to why the analogies are different.

    In Venezuela do you really think that political opposition is free and has a right to challenge Chavez? Political opponents are crushed by an abuse of state power at the hands of the Chavez regime. He's nothing more than a socialist dictator who uses thug tactics to crush opposition.
    Why is there opposition representation in the government then? They made some pretty big gains.

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    I'll brb on the farc article.

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    Venezuela is tanking under Chavez...

    Democracy Index: Venezuela (2010) - #96 of 167
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

    Economic Freedom Score: Venezuela (2011) - #175 of 179
    South America/Central America/Caribbean region: #28 out of 29
    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/venezuela

    World Press Freedom Index: Venezuela (2010) - #133 of 178
    http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/...A4636051.shtml

    Corruption Perception Index: Venezuela (2010) #164 of 178
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupt...ceptions_Index

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    The US sanctions do not affect Venezuela’s supply of oil to the United States, as clearly the Obama administration would not want to directly affect its own interests. Nor do the sanctions apply to PDVSA subsidiaries, such as CITGO, a US corporation owned by PDVSA which has seven oil refineries and over 10,000 gas stations throughout the United States.
    The absence of a credible policy and meaningful work toward policy options (alternatives and expansion of conventional sources in the U.S. and elsewhere) has deprived the U.S. of a share of strategic flexibility when it comes to foreign policy. The delberate choices of past Administrations and the current one have amounted to a self-imposed constraint on its flexibility.

    It will be interesting to see if Venezuela attempts to exploit the U.S. Achilles Heel that has resulted from its lack of credible energy policy to try to push back on the sanctions. My guess is that it won't, as I don't think its government is willing to suffer the pain of meaningful production cuts. But down the road when demand for oil is notably higher than it is today, the risk of such a move from some country during a policy conflict will increase markedly as resource nationalism gains in force. Energy resources and rare earth minerals (another area in which not just the U.S. government is doing little, but also private firms are not trying to innovate to develop/find substitutes to reduce dependence on such minerals) are two areas where resource nationalism could be most likely to gain strength. Of course, the U.S./West might still have some moves to blunt efforts to engage in such practices e.g., if it maintains an edge in food production, agreements with linkage to food and access to energy resources/rare earth minerals could offer one mechanism to reduce the threat. However, such agreements would not be able to overcome the limits imposed by scarcity, which could impose a cap of sorts of the production of certain items/services that rely on those two categories. Hence, the better approach would entail developing/finding substitutes for the two categories to maximize strategic flexibility.

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

    Venezuela Wanted FARC to Act as Hit Men, RealClearWorld - The Compass Blog The FARC is one of the terrorist organizations that engage in guerrilla warfare and terrorism in Colombia. It's pretty evident that Venezuela funds them and may even use them as hit men to kill political opponents in Venezuela. Colombia has also accused Venezuela of funding this terrorist organization.
    That study has already been turned over.It is fantasy.
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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Israel comes in at 132.

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    Re: Venezuela Rejects US Sanctions, Evaluates Oil Supply to US

    Quote Originally Posted by Che View Post
    Israel comes in at 132.
    You need to consider the totality of the evidence. Cherry-picking a single item on which Israel is weaker neither disproves the point Tashah was making about the Chavez regime's ruinous outcomes nor the quality of life enjoyed in Israel.

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