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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    i see why you want a delay. and i understand that you think 10 years isn't enough (I disagree, especially if we take some alternative measures in the meantime that can reduce costs, and especially once you consider that people won't be purchasing full-parity plans).

    what you don't seem to be getting is that 10 years is all we have. we don't have the option of waiting 20 years because Medicare will not be there in 20 years.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i see why you want a delay. and i understand that you think 10 years isn't enough (I disagree, especially if we take some alternative measures in the meantime that can reduce costs, and especially once you consider that people won't be purchasing full-parity plans).

    what you don't seem to be getting is that 10 years is all we have. we don't have the option of waiting 20 years because Medicare will not be there in 20 years.

    The point isnt the 10 yrs cpwill....the point was they outright lied to us. They said quote over and over, nothing will change if your 55 or over. LIE....What would be the truth is it changes immediately for people aged 55 when they become eligible for medicare at 65 and it changes for EVERYONE over 55 thats still alive in 10 yrs....they lied period.

    But it may not make any difference either way...America doesnt seem to be liking Ryans middle class pays for what I give to the rich deficit neutral plan.

    CNN Poll: Majority gives thumbs down to Ryan plan – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The point isnt the 10 yrs cpwill....the point was they outright lied to us. They said quote over and over, nothing will change if your 55 or over.
    and under their plan that is correct. that's not the case under current law, but that law is repealed in the House 2012 budget.

    LIE....What would be the truth is it changes immediately for people aged 55 when they become eligible for medicare at 65 and it changes for EVERYONE over 55 thats still alive in 10 yrs....they lied period.
    people who are currently 55 retire under the old system, unchanged. people who are currently 54 retire under the new system.

    people don't like any plan that makes us grow up.

    but every age group over 30 like Ryan's plan better than the Presidents' - including seniors. I guess they like the sound of their benefits getting slashed in 2014 not at all.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    from the poll:

    "A majority of all demographic groups don't favor the GOP Medicare proposals," Holland adds. "That includes conservatives - 54 percent of them don't like the plan. As a result, rank-and-file Republicans are split right down the middle, with 48 percent favoring the GOP plan and 50 percent opposed."

    The poll is another sign that the House Republicans’ Medicare proposal could be politically damaging to the party. Last week the Democrats won a special election to fill a vacant House seat in New York's 26th congressional district, which the GOP held for over a generation. The Ryan Medicare plan became a major issue in the race, with both the Democratic and Republican candidates, the party committees and outside organizations spending millions of dollars to run ads that focused on Medicare.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    well yeah, when you poll in a vacuum, that's what you get.

    but we aren't competing in a vacuum. That's why Democrats don't want to pass a budget - they don't want to have to have their plan compete against Ryan's.

    when you do put them head-to-head, the picture shifts:

    Americans Divided Over Ryan vs. Obama Deficit Plans



    and when you compare the competing parties in Congress (since the first was the Republican Congress v the President) the picture shifts even more:



    and when you start looking at priorities, people are actually more concerned that the Democrats won't cut enough to avoid a debt crises than they are that Republicans will cut too much out of the entitlements:





    and so when you look at the fuller picture, a different split begins to emerge.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    I don't suggest a vaccum, but that this particular plan isn't a winner. It isn't about comparison. It is the plan standing on its own.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    CP will is so partisan he wants to hear nothing less than ryans plan is LOVED by all...you need to get over it buddy...ryans plan as written will not float.
    All I hear in florida how he is lieing to us...

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't suggest a vaccum, but that this particular plan isn't a winner. It isn't about comparison. It is the plan standing on its own.
    I totally agree that medicare needs to be fixed....but any plan put forth by either party has to be HONEST and UPFRONT and not include any tax breaks for anyone...
    A straight deficit reduction plan that includes sacred cows like subsidies for corporations with no competition at all and who have never had a loss...OIL and pet democrat sacred cows need to go.....share the pain across the board....ryans plan gives all the pain to the middle class down and pleasure to the wealthiest and corporations....its dead

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    We start the program in 10 years because if we wait any longer the whole damn thing goes down, and takes the rest of the country with it. 10 years is about as long as we can push out without drastic and painful fixes elsewhere, likely to current seniors.

    CP you just pull this stuff out of your head dont you...wow, your the worst doom and gloomer ive seen. Medicare can be repaired forever...the teaparty wants it gone PERIOD and they will spout the same doom and gloom and dread you do to try and make it happen....


    he reason repubs start 10 years is because they don't want to pay for it. It can easily be made solvent for another 20-30 years (starting today) if money was taken from other programs and feed into it. If Ryan's plan didn't start at 55, seniors wouldn't be up in arms about it.

    That statement is mostly true....but as a senior who is active in a few orgs in florida with seniors....its more that they LIED to try and flamboozle it through that got everyones arse up down here...Over and over they told us...It doesnt effect anyone 55 and above nothing changes ever for any of you....even their head cheerer cpwill repeated that over and over in threads....and the truth is that is a LIE...for 55 yr olds it changes immediately upon them being eligible at 65, then it changes for all of us in 10 yrs....that and the huge tax breaks for the richest americans while they stick it to everyone else....

    Again, Deficit reduction plan ONLY that has pain from the top to the botton and right to left....that includes the richest americans and corporations and the middleclass.
    Stop loopholes that allow GE to piss in the entire countries face...14.9 billion profit and got a 300 million tax credit from US..plus subsidies....they dont need a TAX Cut to start paying some taxs and for us to close some of their loopholes.....yanno this ryan plan is totally full of **** seriously...any working man that falls for this needs a lobotamy

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    So the Republicans need to just say yes to raising the debt ceiling because Democrats want and need that. But if they want to throw in any of their ideas into the bill it means they aren't willing to compromise? Should they just sit back and approve of raising the debt ceiling again because Democrats want them to? I'm sorry, but I see this as Dems not willing to compromise with anything the Republicans might want. They are the House majority party, there will need to be some bi-partisan talks and compromising.
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