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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    This is the GOPs last gasp at trying to get ryans plan passed with false bravado after the NY election spanking.
    Why do you think it is a spanking? Perhaps you are mistaken.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    McConnel has said that everything is on the table with the exception of tax hikes on a recovering economy. DOD spending, entitlement reform... it's all open for discussion.
    Then why support the ryan plan and not the heritage foundation's plan that actually balances the budget? Why bring the budget closer balance by cutting the legs out from the poor?
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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    RyanCare costs more tha Medicare:



    Analysis from former White House Budget director Peter Orszag HERE


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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    RyanCare costs more tha Medicare:



    Analysis from former White House Budget director Peter Orszag HERE
    percentages.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Then why support the ryan plan and not the heritage foundation's plan that actually balances the budget?
    the Ryan plan has already passed the House, and is the one fully fleshed out and working

    Why bring the budget closer balance by cutting the legs out from the poor?
    why demagogue the Republican plan that means tests the entitlements specifically to avoid that scenario by claiming that it does?

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Dems = in control of white house and senate

    GOP = controls house

    That's only 1/3 guys.. sorry.. not gonna happen.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    which is why we were all hoping for a Compromise. Obama would back the Simpson-Bowles Commission with a few changes, Republicans would back the Ryan Plan, and somewhere in the middle they would meet. The President gave us every indication that was his intention, invited Ryan, Boehner, and the others to the Big Speech where he was going to Offer His Alternative.... and instead spent his time accusing them (safely, as they couldn't answer back) of wanting to go after autistic kids and people's grandmothers.

    He decided to kick off 2012 because he thought he could scare enough people with the Republican budget to get reelected. So be it.

    It will happen.

    In January of 2013 - when we control the House, the Senate, and the White House.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the Ryan plan has already passed the House, and is the one fully fleshed out and working
    Wrong, its the only one fully fleshed out by a political party. There are a total of 6 fully integrated plans from 6 different think tanks across the spectrum that was paid for by private money. Stossel did a program on it 5/27/11. Couldn't find it the actual video.



    why demagogue the Republican plan that means tests the entitlements specifically to avoid that scenario by claiming that it does?
    Because it starts with people at 55 not 35 (sorry 10 years isn't enough time to save for most people), the fact that plan doesn't keep with health care inflation like congress health insurance, and the fact that the plan pays less in percentage terms than medicare currently covers even for the poorest of the poor.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In January of 2013 - when we control the House, the Senate, and the White House.
    Not going to happen
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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Wrong, its the only one fully fleshed out by a political party.
    yes. they're the ones who vote on these things. You or I could come out with any plan we like, and it's pointless until a political party picks it up and runs with it.

    Because it starts with people at 55 not 35 (sorry 10 years isn't enough time to save for most people)
    well, they're gonna have to, because if we wait any longer than that, there won't be a Medicare at all for them to retire with. and if we wait much longer than now, we won't be able to push it back to the 55 year mark, either. We'll have to start cutting spending on current seniors.

    the fact that plan doesn't keep with health care inflation like congress health insurance, and the fact that the plan pays less in percentage terms than medicare currently covers even for the poorest of the poor.
    this is incorrect, the CBO did not account for the means testing or the extended support for the poor in its' report. It also completely failed to account for the pressure of markets and choice on costs. These are the same people who overestimated the cost of Medicare D by 41% because they make that error.

    Not going to happen
    it will. mind you, it will probably make some changes that the Republican President wants.... but that's the body of it, right there.

    That, or the demagogue-and-hope-no-one-notices-the-economy strategy works; and we're all boned.


    We have two basic choices:

    1. Dramatically reduce Medicare expenditures very soon in a manner of our choosing.
    2. Bankruptcy. Followed by dramatic reductions in Medicare forced on us by our creditors as we become Greece.
    Last edited by cpwill; 06-04-11 at 01:05 AM.

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    Re: McConnell: Paul Ryan Medicare Plan 'On The Table' In Debt Ceiling Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    For anybody thinking Republicans are willing to seriously negotiate.
    A vague article that you interpret as Republicans are utterly unreasonable and cannot be negotiated with.

    Nice troll bait, breh-breh.
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