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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I can't speak for the area in the article, but near me, I see a couple of reasons:

    1) Competition to succeed is VERY high. This is mostly projected from the parents onto the kids. Even at that age, I've see parents give punishments if a kid doesn't get an "A".
    2) Kids today are WAY overschedules. Soccer on Monday. Karate on Tuesdsay. Tutoring on Wednesday. Dance/Art/Voice/Music on Thursday. CCD/Hebrew School on Friday. Weekends for games for the sports they are involved in. Kids have zero free time just to be kids and are expected to attend all of these things. I read an article, a while back on this. Do you know what percentage of kids stick with activities that they start before the age of 12? 10%. Think about that.
    3) Too much structured time with parents, too little "hang out"/emotional time with parents. Everything is about performance, not about who the kid is.

    These are the major factors that I see.
    My son skates competitively, and I find it rather alarming how over the top some of the parents are with their kids. Some of these are kids in elementary school, but are nationally ranked and have sponsorships from skating companies worth thousands of dollars annually. The parents are insane. I've seen parents of 6-12 year old kids screaming at the kids at the top of their lungs for coming in second in a race, hitting the kid in public, etc. It's stopped being an enjoyable sport for these kids and has started being a job. I've already told my son that if that's what is necessary for him to succeed at that level, it isn't going to happen.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Eight-Year-Old Girl HANGS Herself



    Absolutely heartbreaking. During a news report earlier the local sheriff said that he didn't see a need to investigate any evidence on the girl's body because "our lab doesn't have a lot of free time".

    This is very tragic... I am so shocked that a suicide victim could be so young. This doesn't seem normal to me at all, and I honestly never thought depression could ever affect somebody so young and so severely. I was teased some when I was younger, but I never thought of killing myself. It causes me to wonder if depression ran in her family and suicide was common around her.

    In high school, my friend's 15 year old neighbor killed himself. We were on the phone talking when his little sister came over and asked us to call 911, because her big brother was in the bathroom and he was going to kill himself. We got off the phone and they called the police, but the boy was already dead... hung himself in the bathroom. I was so shocked then, and thought he was way too young. This story reminds me of that day.

    It really bothered me for a while, and I tried to talk about it at school. But I went to a different school than my friend, and everybody thought it was too dark to talk about and would quickly change the subject. I would sometimes wonder if we didn't get off the phone soon enough, or maybe they should have went inside the house and tried to stop him themselves. I originally didn't take the little girl very seriously because we were just kids, but later found out he struggled with depression.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How many kids killed themselves when we were kids? It seems to me we are raising weak individuals that can't handle the world. When I was a kid I was thought the world was a harsh reality and how to deal with it. I was thought that I might not win, I might have to deal with jerks, I might be hated, it was just part of the world. Today, I just don't see any of that. Today kids are weak, and not thought to deal with life. I'm honestly not surprised the weak kill themselves off. We need to stop raising weak children.
    I think I illustrated how things are very different today than they were when many of us were kids. But, beyond that, if one looks at the teen suicide rates over the past 50 years, it rose dramatically until the 90's and then has reduced.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In 38 years of teaching, only two students ever said that they were contemplating suicide. I took both of them seriously, and neither followed through on it. It is rare, but kids do kill themselves from time to time, and for much the same reasons that adults do. If a kid says he's thinking about suicide, unless it is a "I'll hold my breath until I get my way" sort of thing, it's quite likely that he is doing just that, and could follow through with it unless an adult intervenes.
    I can't think of anybody I know whom threatened suicide "for attention." But I have heard people being accused of attempting suicide for that reason. I only once believed somebody wasn't really trying to kill herself, and that's because she'd always slit her writs but she'd cut her arm about 2 inches up from her wrist. It later came out that her father molested her growing up, and it was a cry for help... She had to communicate her pain somehow. You can't hold a secret inside you like that forever and pretend it's ok.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree with you 100%. When I was a kid, during the summer, my friends and I used to play outside all day, pretty much every day. Instead of play games on the internet, we INVENTED games.



    Yup. I agree.
    I grew up in the far northeast side of Houston. Certain community amenities were not available yet, we didn't even get a library til I was about 17. But, over my back fence was literally thousands of acres of woods to play in. A few of my friends were allowed to play there, but only so far, only 1 other than me was trusted to go wild and find our way home at the end of the day, or sometimes the weekend. We had a ball....
    My imagination was my best toy, the woods my best playground..
    Today's kids are too often self isolated in some artificial world while the real world has so much more to offer.
    It is sad to see depression in such young children, but I have my doubts that we have heard all there is about this event.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Today, kids have less healthy contact with reasonably healthy parents and home environments. They are being bombarded with round the clock 'reality' shows that normalize teen pregnancy, cutting, and just drama in general. We gone from the occasional EMO kid in school to groups of EMO kids. Fascinating...40 kids dressing alike, acting alike, listening to the same depressing music, hanging out together, all with the common theme of life sucks and we dont got no friends or nuthin.

    We often tell our children to grow up...act like adults. Well...they are. More and more.
    I told our kids that childhood is precious, enjoy it while you can....Don't be in a hurry to grow up....

    and that adulthood only looks better from THEIR viewpoint.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    My son skates competitively, and I find it rather alarming how over the top some of the parents are with their kids. Some of these are kids in elementary school, but are nationally ranked and have sponsorships from skating companies worth thousands of dollars annually. The parents are insane. I've seen parents of 6-12 year old kids screaming at the kids at the top of their lungs for coming in second in a race, hitting the kid in public, etc. It's stopped being an enjoyable sport for these kids and has started being a job. I've already told my son that if that's what is necessary for him to succeed at that level, it isn't going to happen.
    Sounds like high school football in Texas. Coaches won't admit it, but it's understood that many of these kids are using performance enhancing drugs and techniques. There are kids who are ruining their bodies for a chance at a state title and a scholarship to college, where it only gets worse. I remember our star quarterback getting his neck fractured during scrimmage my senior year. The linebacker that got to him was 'roided up, clothes lined him, then used his leg to force the QB into the ground. UIL barred him from playing (thank god), but his coach's immediate reaction was a high-five. Over and above all that, our guys did two-a-days in 110+ degree Texas summers, working on the field for 6-8 hours straight some days. If you didn't get the play right you didn't get a water break.

    I was a "trainer" (basically a water girl) my first two years and quit because I couldn't stand how these guys were worked. All for a stupid title.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    So tragic, so sad. More knowledgeable folks than I have given some of the reasons children can be so stressed, so insecure that they want to kill themselves. Children also kill themselves because they are being bullied, and have not developed the skills to cope. Feelings of being unloved, not good enough, a disappointment, or a constant state of fear because of family pressure or peer threats can also lead to suicidal thoughts in very young children.

    When I was a child, I remember repeatedly wishing that I would just die. Maybe then my parents would be sorry that they had hit me, called me names, thrown things at me, told me they hated me and wished I'd never been born. I didn't really believe they'd be sorry. I just wistfully wondered if they would be. I didn't commit suicide, obviously, but I might have tried if I'd actually known how to do it at that age. I'd never heard about people hanging themselves, or taking sleeping pills. Illegal drugs really weren't available back then. The only way I knew how to die was to run in front of a car or to jump off a really tall building (ha! In the SoCal suburbs, where a two-story house is considered a highrise!)... but I was too scared that either way would really hurt. At that age I didn't realize that if I was dead, I wouldn't be in pain. Besides, I'm not even certain I realized back then that death really was permanent. Children do not understand reality the way adults do.

    Now the above paragraph is not written by a logical adult. It's written from the perspective of an unhappy, unloved little girl whose brain had not yet evolved enough to understand that my parents' unacceptable behavior was not my fault. When I hear about such a young child crying out for help, then following through it breaks my heart. Kids today, with television and computer games showing easy death followed by a reload-replay, know more ways to die than I did even as a high school senior. Elementary school kids can get access to illegal drugs, guns, rope, and know what to do with them. I wish we lived in a society where people looked out for others instead of rushing past them toward their own lives. I wish we had schools that were well funded and staffed with professionals who could recognize the symptoms of lonely, bullied, and abused children, and had the ability to step in to help. I wish there was a test that anyone wanting to become a parent had to pass before they were allowed to conceive. I wish the world was perfect. But the world is now and always has been a tragic place to live. I hope that poor child is at peace now.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Now reading this you may be thinking "that doesn't sound that bad" but these are just a few of an extensive list.
    Doesn't sound so bad?

    Sounds like it's a miracle that you survived at all. OMG!
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I grew up in the far northeast side of Houston. Certain community amenities were not available yet, we didn't even get a library til I was about 17. But, over my back fence was literally thousands of acres of woods to play in. A few of my friends were allowed to play there, but only so far, only 1 other than me was trusted to go wild and find our way home at the end of the day, or sometimes the weekend. We had a ball....
    My imagination was my best toy, the woods my best playground..
    Today's kids are too often self isolated in some artificial world while the real world has so much more to offer.
    It is sad to see depression in such young children, but I have my doubts that we have heard all there is about this event.
    It sounds like your childhood and mine were quite similar. We lived at the edge of a national forest, and so most of my free time was spent exploring the woods, creeks, and fields. I had a lot more free time than most kids have today, too. Moreover, I was allowed a lot of freedom, probably too much if the truth were known.

    I used to spend a lot of time fishing and hunting. I don't hunt any more (too many hunters, not enough game) but still like to roam the woods and go fishing.

    I came close to shooting myself once, but that was accidental. The idea of suicide never crossed my mind.
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