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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I can't even fathom a lifestyle like that for my kids....when I have them. That's scary.
    I know, but it's SO commonplace around here. I know of practically no kids that don't have a schedule like that.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I know, but it's SO commonplace around here. I know of practically no kids that don't have a schedule like that.
    I want my kids to have a passion, but I don't want them running 90-to-nothing every day to find it. As for grades...my dad pushed me to make good grades but he never punished me when I didn't...at least not unless I had blatantly failed to put in the effort.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Any theories on way depression is presenting itself in such young children?
    It's really hard to say. Children express mental illness differently than adults - that's one of the reasons it's so hard to get a solid diagnosis. In addition, mental illness can mimic various medical conditions, or even signs of abuse. And young children are frequently either unable or unwilling to express what's going on.

    The rate may actually be the same, but now stories like this are getting more attention, and our ability to diagnose is getting better (which is the reason autism diagnosis has gone up so much - we didn't use to recognize more mild variants of autism).

    Or it may really be going up. Figuring out why is tough. Fetal (people are exposed to more chemicals now), stress, lifestyle, foods, changes in parental lifestyle... there's a million possibilities. As CaptainCourtesy said, it may also be an effect of the extreme pressure kids are under now. These days, having to audition for kindergarden is not uncommon. Expectations are high and kids are pushed really hard.

    All I really know is that this is horribly sad... and, even more sadly, not an isolated case.
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I can't speak for the area in the article, but near me, I see a couple of reasons:

    1) Competition to succeed is VERY high. This is mostly projected from the parents onto the kids. Even at that age, I've see parents give punishments if a kid doesn't get an "A".
    2) Kids today are WAY overschedules. Soccer on Monday. Karate on Tuesdsay. Tutoring on Wednesday. Dance/Art/Voice/Music on Thursday. CCD/Hebrew School on Friday. Weekends for games for the sports they are involved in. Kids have zero free time just to be kids and are expected to attend all of these things. I read an article, a while back on this. Do you know what percentage of kids stick with activities that they start before the age of 12? 10%. Think about that.
    3) Too much structured time with parents, too little "hang out"/emotional time with parents. Everything is about performance, not about who the kid is.

    These are the major factors that I see.
    I dont know brother...I see the stressed out hyperdrive types...but they are few and far between. In my last 24 hours (7p Thursday to 7p Friday) I saw 4, 14, 17, 18 (mentally retarded), 20, 24, 27 37 year olds. Not a one of the was on the fast track for success. The 27 year old was (on the surface) a relatively high functioning housewife. Not too far beneath the surface...Maslows testament.

    Might be Im a little jaded tonight. I need a break. But I read the article cited on the OP and there were on that same web page 3 stellar examples of parenthood in action...More extreme...but in the right neighborhood.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    We should not have a World in which little 8 year old children are in so much inner pain that they hang themselves

    More and more young people are killing themselves and as adults it is up to us all to do better so that these children do not feel this damn helpless. It does take a village and adults (even childless) need to try to figure this out and it is up to adults to help, to save and to protect these children.

    And we need to STOP BULLYING! END IT!
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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know brother...I see the stressed out hyperdrive types...but they are few and far between. In my last 24 hours (7p Thursday to 7p Friday) I saw 4, 14, 17, 18 (mentally retarded), 20, 24, 27 37 year olds. Not a one of the was on the fast track for success. The 27 year old was (on the surface) a relatively high functioning housewife. Not too far beneath the surface...Maslows testament.

    Might be Im a little jaded tonight. I need a break. But I read the article cited on the OP and there were on that same web page 3 stellar examples of parenthood in action...More extreme...but in the right neighborhood.
    Most that I see fall into a couple of categories:

    1) Pushed towards success/perfectionism.
    2) Lack of attention due to other family issues (parentified child)
    3) Lack of acceptance by parents (often with sexuality issues, but also certain career/school/activity choices).
    4) Some sort of verbal/physical/sexual/emotional abuse from parents or others, including bullying.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Don't know why I am thinking of this - but kids in my old neighborhood don't play in the streets anymore. They're indoors and on the internet, or playing video games.

    It's hard for me to judge the newer generation because I am fairly removed from them, but it seems like there's a growing disconnect.

    Our children are not meant to be put into schedule factories to be crammed full of disciplined things. Kids need fun and frankly so do adults. Life is not supposed to be SO serious all the time otherwise it gets soul crushing.

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Don't know why I am thinking of this - but kids in my old neighborhood don't play in the streets anymore. They're indoors and on the internet, or playing video games.
    I agree with you 100%. When I was a kid, during the summer, my friends and I used to play outside all day, pretty much every day. Instead of play games on the internet, we INVENTED games.

    It's hard for me to judge the newer generation because I am fairly removed from them, but it seems like there's a growing disconnect.

    Our children are not meant to be put into schedule factories to be crammed full of disciplined things. Kids need fun and frankly so do adults. Life is not supposed to be SO serious all the time otherwise it gets soul crushing.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Any theories on way depression is presenting itself in such young children?
    There is a lot of different answers to this..

    Society or economy.. Most child now a days are raised by school and day care.. Gone are the days where one parent works and one parent stays home and raises kids.. Sure some rich families can afford to do it.. But by in large, most families can't.. Both parents must work in order to make ends meat.. The loss of that time with a parent has a huge impact on kids.. They loose some feeling of stability, they also lose the support network they need to deal with the problems of being a child.. When I had a bully issue when I was little.. I always reminding of the golden rule.. 'Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can never hurt you.'.. You would be surprised how many children have either never heard it or simply don't understand it..

    Parents.. Many of them don't take the time to simply raise their children and be a part of their lives.. Technology isn't doing kids any favors.. With parents like Gameboy, Wii, PSP, xbox, and computers.. Who needs real parents?? Parents love them cause it keeps the kids out of their hair and quiet.. Yet secretly they can and do cause issues like depression or other social disorders.. If a child spends most of their time playing games, they don't learn the social skills needs to interact with people.. Nor do they learn the defenses needed to tolerate interacting with some people.. Like Bullies..

    Divorce is also taking a toll on the well being of children.. There isn't much to say here other than they can seriously damage a childs sense of stability and family.. I have my thoughts as to why the divorce rate is so high.. But will save them for another thread..

    School.. Teachers no longer have the authortiy to punish children.. There is no discipline being taught at school and they aren't getting it at home either.. I am old enough to remember being in class and there as a paddle hanging on the wall that everyone was affraid of.. Nobody back talked the teacher either.. I can remember students getting smacked on the hand with a ruler.. Or sitting in a corner.. Sadly none of that is legal now.. While in some ways CPS has been a savior to children, it has also turned out to be their curse..

    Society again.. CPS, mentioned above has also detered parents from disciplining their children.. For fear of losing their kids or having them taken away.. Parents in many respects simply can't discpline their children.. If you look at kids today.. That is the quality they lack the most.. Discipline.. Some teenagers even learn that CPS can be a means to do what they want.. They know mom or dad won't punish them because they can call CPS or go to their school teacher..

    So there are a lot of issues that are not helping children grow up properly.. There really is no one area we can point a finger and place blame.. Changes need to be made by parents.. Society or the economy needs to change to allow for one parent to stay home.. Schools need to be allowed to punish students as well as parents.. Children need discipline.. They also need to the love and support to deal with all the mean people they are going to meet in their lives.. Less time on video games and more time playing with other children would also help.. They need those social skills..

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    Re: Eight-Year-Old Girl Hangs Herself

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    We should not have a World in which little 8 year old children are in so much inner pain that they hang themselves

    More and more young people are killing themselves and as adults it is up to us all to do better so that these children do not feel this damn helpless. It does take a village and adults (even childless) need to try to figure this out and it is up to adults to help, to save and to protect these children.

    And we need to STOP BULLYING! END IT!
    How many kids killed themselves when we were kids? It seems to me we are raising weak individuals that can't handle the world. When I was a kid I was thought the world was a harsh reality and how to deal with it. I was thought that I might not win, I might have to deal with jerks, I might be hated, it was just part of the world. Today, I just don't see any of that. Today kids are weak, and not thought to deal with life. I'm honestly not surprised the weak kill themselves off. We need to stop raising weak children.

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