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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    Just like the DEA can swoop in and bust people for marijuana.

    Deal with it.
    And I am dealing with it, by debating it, and protesting it in whatever means I can.

    Or were you looking to say "bend over"?



    So the DEA can do X, a completely different agent can do Y invasive thing and we should be OK with it?

    I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that your logic is not there... at all. For one, the DEA's abilities have nothing to do with the TSA. Secondly, i the DEA does act in a manner that is unjust and gets away with it, that shouldn't mean that another agency should do whatever it want unchallenged. It means, if anything, we should put MORE scrutiny on these agencies to make sure they have the proper checks and balances.





    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    1) The body scanners don't show naked bodies, they show a thermal scan. All you get is an outline
    Maybe some of the other ones out there, used in other European countries, but the ones in use sure as heck show more than just an outline... or do you just go by the shrunken, distored images relased by the TSA/DHS for news agencies, instead of samples from the manufactuer's own page, and images leaked from the machines themselves?


    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    3) The searches are not unreasonable, but they aren't done with enough... partiality. I mean they check little kids.
    The problem is with the methods, not the searching in of itself.


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    I don't understand why people are so uptight about the body scanners though.
    Even after reading the various complaints made about them, from the digital strip search aspect , to the radiation aspect, to the image recording/storage issue?
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Cool. You mind if I feel your wife/girlfriend up like that, without probable cause?
    I'm assuming that they don't grope women for ****s and giggles. It's a highly-scrutinized and watched-after position, not a circus.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Cool. You mind if I feel your wife/girlfriend up like that, without probable cause?
    Are you a TSA worker and are we about to board a flight? Then YES because I have NO no problem you "searching" her and doing your job since we chose to partake in said services where we are fully aware we may be searched.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    And I am dealing with it, by debating it, and protesting it in whatever means I can.

    Or were you looking to say "bend over"?



    So the DEA can do X, a completely different agent can do Y invasive thing and we should be OK with it?

    I'm going to go out on a limb, and say that your logic is not there... at all.
    I was mostly referring to enforcing a federal law on top of a state's law, but you can misinterpret it however you want.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    I'm assuming that they don't grope women for ****s and giggles. It's a highly-scrutinized and watched-after position, not a circus.
    WRONG! ever TSA work is sexually aroused and sexually assaulting every passenger just to get off, its a huge conspiracy!
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    Are you a TSA worker and are we about to board a flight?
    Nope, I'm not a TSA worker, but I can wait and feel her up before you board a flight if that makes you feel better. Why does my title matter? If it's not sexual assault, then it's not sexual assault.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru
    Then YES because I have NO no problem you "searching" her and doing your job since we chose to partake in said services where we are fully aware we may be searched.
    Pardon my French, but that is bull****. These regulations aren't the doing of a few overzealous airlines, the federal government mandates them for ALL flights. You can make the same "we chose to do it knowing we might be searched" argument for ANY violation of civil liberties. Hell, you can use it to justify cops randomly strip-searching people who are walking down the street. "Well, they KNEW that they might be strip-searched and they chose to go out walking anyway."
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    Until we train TSA workers to think like terrorists trying to smuggle a bomb on a plane or predict the future, it is what it is.
    If they can't be trained to think like terrorists trying to smuggle a bomb on a plane, then they have no reason for existing at all.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope, I'm not a TSA worker, but I can wait and feel her up before you board a flight if that makes you feel better. Why does my title matter? If it's not sexual assault, then it's not sexual assault.
    Did you really just ask this? Why does yout title matter? how about common sense, reality and logic.

    If my son is in school and called down to the nurses office Im going to be concerned if its the janitor that inspects him for a hernia instead of the nurse LMAO titles matter to anybody that has common sense LMAO Sorry I live in the REAL world and a stranger doing it for no reason is NOTHING like the TSA doing it and a person KNOWING its going to be done and AGREEING to it by partaking in said services.

    Could you be any more dramatic?



    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Pardon my French, but that is bull****. These regulations aren't the doing of a few overzealous airlines, the federal government mandates them for ALL flights. You can make the same "we chose to do it knowing we might be searched" argument for ANY violation of civil liberties. Hell, you can use it to justify cops randomly strip-searching people who are walking down the street. "Well, they KNEW that they might be strip-searched and they chose to go out walking anyway."
    Wow you either have a serious lack of understanding or reality or serious comprehension skills, your example isn't even close to the same on any rational level what so ever?

    "walking down the street"???? LOL
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    Then YES because I have NO no problem you "searching" her and doing your job since we chose to partake in said services where we are fully aware we may be searched.
    You act like the groping and searching are synonymous, a in because searching is OK that this method is OK. Just because it is a means of searching doesn't make it the best, OK, or necessary for that matter.

    I'm for some method of searching that works, and I am opposed to these, and am not OK with the pat downs as they are.

    And last time I checked, expecting a search doesn't mean anything goes - the checks STILL must obey the law, hell, *if I remember correctly* the laws giving the limited administrative search SPECIFY specifically that they have to be reasonable, and follow applicable laws.

    Some cop can set up a checkpoint to enter a courthouse and require being kicked in the balls until you throw up, that doesn't make it legal because you have the choice to enter the courthouse or not. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that there are boundaries, boundaries only pushed wih GOOD reasons, backed up by proof of necessit, and not arbitrary crap like "well, he chose to pass through here" with nothing else to go by.

    CHOICE DOES NOT NECESSARILY DETERMINE CONSTITUTIONALITY OR LACK THEREOF OF A FEDERAL AGENCY'S ACTIONS.

    If you're gonna defend that argument of yours, PLEASE back it up with FACTS to prove me wrong - laws, case law, etc, instead of just playing the "it is because it is" angle without backing it up, because every thread is is just that, and it is getting - pardon my french - pretty ****ng annoying.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    Did you really just ask this? Why does yout title matter? how about common sense, reality and logic.

    If my son is in school and called down to the nurses office Im going to be concerned if its the janitor that inspects him for a hernia instead of the nurse LMAO titles matter to anybody that has common sense LMAO Sorry I live in the REAL world and a stranger doing it for no reason is NOTHING like the TSA doing it and a person KNOWING its going to be done and AGREEING to it by partaking in said services.
    So to make sure I understand you correctly: It's sexual assault when a stranger feels someone up in this manner for no reason...but it's not sexual assault when a TSA agent feels someone up in exactly the same manner, also for no reason. Makes perfect sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru
    Wow you either have a serious lack of understanding or reality or serious comprehension skills, your example isn't even close to the same on any rational level what so ever?

    "walking down the street"???? LOL
    Since you obviously can't make a coherent argument to defend your view, I think I'm done responding to you. Toodles.
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