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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I never thought I'd say this, but... go Texas. Yee-ha.

    The TSA is hugely over-stepping. They should not be able to grope people for practically no reason. These "safety" measures don't work, and they're abusive. Same with the body scanner that renders a friggin' naked image of you.

    I know it has some practical impediments, but look to Israel for a system that works. And they don't have to strip or grope anyone. It's basically a system of interaction and judging normal levels of suspect behavior. It works incredibly well - Israel has some of the best airport security in the world - and it doesn't require them to strip and prod people. A copy-cat of their system won't quite work here, but it's an excellent model. We should take a good long look at it, and figure out how to make it work here.

    In the mean time, for once, I support Texas. The TSA can shove it.
    1) The body scanners don't show naked bodies, they show a thermal scan. All you get is an outline
    2) Israel's security is also extremely expensive and would not scale for the US. They hire a dozen or so people to ask questions in a check off fashion. If something is triggered, they have another person ask questions who is trained in lie detecting. If you fail that test, you are then subjected to the same type of searches that we have, is not more
    3) The searches are not unreasonable, but they aren't done with enough... partiality. I mean they check little kids.

    I don't understand why people are so uptight about the body scanners though.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully Texas does pass this law. The government has no business violating the 4th amendment.
    The 4th isn't being violated in any fashion shape or form since the search is not forced and agreed upon. You submit to the search for the privilege to fly, don't want searched, don't fly, the 4th is not being violated.

    Again if you don't like what the TSA is doing (I'm not to fond of it myself) by all means fight it but using the 4th will only cause you to fail.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    I flew from CVG to Bradley this weekend. In CVG I went through the scanners. I had some bills in my pocket

    the TSA guy was very courteous and said he had to pat down my front right pocket

    I thought I was treated with respect

    at Hartford it was just a metal detector

    the TSA officers appeared to be friendly, efficient and courteous



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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    LoL Conservatives arguing that the perception of the threat of terror needs to be scaled back thats rich.
    Well, considering we are groping kids, and doing digital strip searches where drug/bomb sniffing dogs, and good profiling [not purely racial, but by various factors - like Israel does it] in response to two thwarted plots in the 10 years after 9-11 that were stopped by the passengers, could not have been stopped by these methods, and have not been successfully followed up yet... I'd say the threat perception is in need of calibration myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    And me a 'liberal' having to come up and remind you people are stuffing bombs in their underwear.

    1 person [singular] a year and a half ago. =/= people in the plural in the now, unless there is something you know that we all don't. Get a grip, will you? It is one thing to be shaken up right after it happened - at least I'd cut you some slack on that front, but now you're just dishonestly taking one event some time ago, and blowing it up in scale to claim that there is a constant barrage in the last few weeks/days/months, when the last incident of its kind happened a year and a half ago, if not longer, and failed - being thwarted by the passengers [not the TSA :P].




    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I flew from CVG to Bradley this weekend. In CVG I went through the scanners. I had some bills in my pocket

    the TSA guy was very courteous and said he had to pat down my front right pocket

    I thought I was treated with respect

    at Hartford it was just a metal detector

    the TSA officers appeared to be friendly, efficient and courteous

    You were fortunate, as was I traveling out of Tampa this past winter when all I had to do was go through the detector, and experienced only friendly people.

    It does not however, IMO of curse, negate any of the real issues that are popping up - which, if you follow the news, can see is quite plentiful.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I like you, kandahar but this was a little doofy. It is because they NOW screen underwear and NOW screen shoes that it likely wont happen again. Of course they got through before they screened for them.
    And what makes you think that dedicated terrorists won't be able to figure out some new creative way to sneak stuff onto an airplane? Screening for what the LAST guy used is pointless, because it has no relationship with what the NEXT guy will use.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102
    If the TSa is illegalised in texas they will run into the same conundrums the TSA has. The checkpoints are a deterrent.
    As far as I can tell, there have been at least two terrorists who got through security with the intent of blowing up a plane, but I'm yet to see the TSA regulations thwart a single attack. Now, you can say that maybe we don't hear about them, and that would be valid...except for the fact that arrest logs are public information, and "TSA thwarts bomber" would have almost certainly become a national headline.

    Now, as for it being a deterrent: In order for a deterrent to be effective, people must believe that they will get caught. The TSA is 0 for 2 in this, and I see no reason to expect their record to improve since they focus their efforts on the ways in which the LAST guy got on to the plane. This means that two people have already thought of security flaws that the TSA did not. They are hardly the most innovative government agency.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102
    Accept the fact that a plane might occasionally be blown up? Prudent? Pass the doob on that one bro. =\
    Why not? You accept the fact that people will die of heart disease, die of cancer, die in automobile accidents, or whatever. The only difference is that vastly MORE people die of those things than die from plane bombings...and it's far cheaper to save lives by focusing on those areas. Spending such an inordinate amount of time, money, and liberty on airport security is completely irrational.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I flew from CVG to Bradley this weekend. In CVG I went through the scanners. I had some bills in my pocket

    the TSA guy was very courteous and said he had to pat down my front right pocket

    I thought I was treated with respect

    at Hartford it was just a metal detector

    the TSA officers appeared to be friendly, efficient and courteous
    I fly pretty often for your avg joe, at least 4 times a month usually sept thru march and I have experienced the same.

    While I do feel better training, qualified personnel could be used for those stories of "insensitivity" or abuse that happens, and it happens with just about everything. I do feel our system could be improved, I'm in no rush to change anything until a total game plan that is proved =/> and is ready to be laid out.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Just like the DEA can swoop in and bust people for marijuana.

    Deal with it.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    Solution is simple, don't like it, don't fly, want the rules changed, fine do it the right way but as soon as a person says moronic stuff like its rape and sexual assault and kiddie porn and violates the constitution you will simply get laughed at and loose all credibility like you should.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And what makes you think that dedicated terrorists won't be able to figure out some new creative way to sneak stuff onto an airplane? Screening for what the LAST guy used is pointless, because it has no relationship with what the NEXT guy will use.
    Until we train TSA workers to think like terrorists trying to smuggle a bomb on a plane or predict the future, it is what it is.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    On I side note sometimes when I fall asleep waiting for a plain, I have my phone on my lap, I move around and it rolls off. Being in a haze I often just "grope" around for it.

    And my co-worker is even worse, she is always groping around in her purse looking for her cell phone when sometimes she already has it out.

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