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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I read the article, and it doesn't seem like they are making exceptions to allow a pat down which doesn't seem right. It's Texas and they are on the boarder, so I'd think there might be some drug mules flying in a out. It seems like a pat down would be necessary in some instances and they can't outright ban it.
    Yes, it may be necessary in some instances. As in, instances in which there is probable cause. The proposed law would not ban patdowns at the airports if there is probable cause.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Texas is the most arrogant state in the union... lol. Somebody should remind them that they're not better than the other 49.
    I don't see where they claimed to be. The other 49 states can do whatever they want...but in Texas, the government wouldn't be able to subject people to invasive searches without probable cause.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I wouldn't feel sorry for Texas if they shut down their flights. They patted me down in Texas and went through all my stuff with plastic gloves, made me unzip my bags and everything. This was before the TSA got involved and before the Obama Admin. They made us miss our flight. **** Texas.
    I doubt that had anything to do with the State of Texas. If it was since 9/11, it was most likely the federal government.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    Can't wait for the TSA either to ground all flights, introduce the state troopers to the FBI or simply not allow any crybaby that cries about the rules access to fly.
    You mean people like you, who seem to be crying and moaning because people are actually saying "Woah now, lets scale this back to something that seems more proportionate to the threat that exists here and follows our laws," challenging it instead of just saying "Ok? and accepting it as-is?

    Get real.

    Seriously, you and your ilk, the arrogance is really getting annoying. The condescending attitude towards those who merely disagree with the approach to airport security though may agree with the idea in of itself even to the point of painting a gross mischaracterization as if it made you folks look smart.

    Really.

    The problem is with the pat down method, and there is nothing wrong with saying that something doesn't seem right, even to take action and demand answers, proof that it is constitutional, safe, effective. It doesn't make you a coward, nor does it make a sniveling whatsit, it makes you somebody who is skeptical [reasonability of course being wholly dependent on how you go about asking the questions].

    The scanners, and the pat downs have never been implemented before in the U.S, we've never had anything quite this invasive up until 8 years after 9-11, do you REALLY think people are not going to question its worth, invasiveness, constitutionality, or speak up, that everybody will just take it, and accept it at face value? Especially when operated by the undertrained, and infamously incompetent TSA agents, part of the larger TSA agency that has proven to have expressed [in some capacity] a strong hate towards accountability?


    And just because YOU say it doesn't act as a violation to have the TSA's brand of patdowns doesn't make it so, you need to prove it just as much as those opposed to it need to prove / demonstrate its overly intrusive nature - and I say those opposed have done a far better job at that.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    "Woah now, lets scale this back to something that seems more proportionate to the threat that exists here and follows our laws,"
    LoL Conservatives arguing that the perception of the threat of terror needs to be scaled back thats rich.
    And me a 'liberal' having to come up and remind you people are stuffing bombs in their underwear.

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    LoL Conservatives arguing that the perception of the threat of terror needs to be scaled back thats rich.
    And me a 'liberal' having to come up and remind you people are stuffing bombs in their underwear.
    There has been a total of ONE guy in the history of aviation who has stuffed a bomb in his underwear, and a total of ONE guy in the history of aviation who has stuffed a bomb in his shoe. And neither of them were stopped by the TSA's security theater anyway, they were both stopped by the passengers on the planes.

    How about we take all the money being spent on keeping people from blowing up airplanes, and spend it on something that will actually save a lot more lives. Research on heart disease or cancer, perhaps. And let's just accept the fact that a plane might occasionally be blown up, and trust the passengers to prevent it as best they can. That would be far more prudent than the ridiculousness that is a TSA checkpoint today.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There has been a total of ONE guy in the history of aviation who has stuffed a bomb in his underwear, and a total of ONE guy in the history of aviation who has stuffed a bomb in his shoe. And neither of them were stopped by the TSA's security theater anyway, they were both stopped by the passengers on the planes.

    How about we take all the money being spent on keeping people from blowing up airplanes, and spend it on something that will actually save a lot more lives. Research on heart disease or cancer, perhaps. And let's just accept the fact that a plane might occasionally be blown up, and trust the passengers to prevent it as best they can. That would be far more prudent than the ridiculousness that is a TSA checkpoint today.
    I like you, kandahar but this was a little doofy. It is because they NOW screen underwear and NOW screen shoes that it likely wont happen again. Of course they got through before they screened for them. If the TSa is illegalised in texas they will run into the same conundrums the TSA has. The checkpoints are a deterrent. Accept the fact that a plane might occasionally be blown up? Prudent? Pass the doob on that one bro. =\

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Having dealt with the TSA in a capacity other than just a passenger, it is my opinion that they are an unmonitored, unfettered monstrosity that threatens the freedoms of the flying public to include airlines and private aircraft.
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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    You mean people like you, who seem to be crying and moaning because people are actually saying "Woah now, lets scale this back to something that seems more proportionate to the threat that exists here and follows our laws," challenging it instead of just saying "Ok? and accepting it as-is?

    Get real.

    Seriously, you and your ilk, the arrogance is really getting annoying. The condescending attitude towards those who merely disagree with the approach to airport security though may agree with the idea in of itself even to the point of painting a gross mischaracterization as if it made you folks look smart.

    Really.

    The problem is with the pat down method, and there is nothing wrong with saying that something doesn't seem right, even to take action and demand answers, proof that it is constitutional, safe, effective. It doesn't make you a coward, nor does it make a sniveling whatsit, it makes you somebody who is skeptical [reasonability of course being wholly dependent on how you go about asking the questions].

    The scanners, and the pat downs have never been implemented before in the U.S, we've never had anything quite this invasive up until 8 years after 9-11, do you REALLY think people are not going to question its worth, invasiveness, constitutionality, or speak up, that everybody will just take it, and accept it at face value? Especially when operated by the undertrained, and infamously incompetent TSA agents, part of the larger TSA agency that has proven to have expressed [in some capacity] a strong hate towards accountability?


    And just because YOU say it doesn't act as a violation to have the TSA's brand of patdowns doesn't make it so, you need to prove it just as much as those opposed to it need to prove / demonstrate its overly intrusive nature - and I say those opposed have done a far better job at that.
    WOW looks like I have a live one lol
    That's a nice long post that said absolutely nothing just a rant and you wrongly assuming you know what I was saying and how I feel.

    I'm fine with people NOT liking it, I don't " like it", I'm fine with people questioning it but the people that cry its sexual assault and kiddie porn and it violates the constitution I just laugh at because those people are part of the problem not the solution.

    Solution is simple, don't like it, don't fly, want the rules changed, fine do it the right way but as soon as a person says moronic stuff like its rape and sexual assault and kiddie porn and violates the constitution you will simply get laughed at and loose all credibility like you should.

    DO you want better regulation, training, qualified personnel etc that's all fine the rest is dramatic lunacy.

    Nice try the only one crying is you, I'm laughing at those crying

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    Re: TSA Could Ban Flights From Texas If State Passes Anti-Patdown Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I call bull****. There is no way the TSA is going to cancel every flight originating from Texas. To even issue this kind of empty threat is beyond retarded. Hopefully Texas passes their law and tells the TSA to go **** themselves.
    Hopefully Texas does pass this law. The government has no business violating the 4th amendment.
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