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    New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    I will never visit New York ever as they are now making it where you cannot even smoke outside in public without being fined They do not have to worry about a $50 fine for me as they will never see a dime of mine and a lot of other pro-smokers tourism dollars. You can take that to the bank




    "Smoking has long been illegal in New York City bars and restaurants, including open-air restaurants, as well as in public transit, workplaces, schools and stores, among other places. On May 23rd, New York also joined 500 other U.S. municipalities that have banned smoking in parks and public squares. Under the new law, smokers who light up anywhere in New York’s more than 1,700 parks and pedestrian plazas, or along its 22 kilometers of beaches, could face a $50 fine."
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    Re: New York Hates Smokers

    Yeah... I HATE smoking, but I think this law is REALLY stupid.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Smokers hate themselves.
    There's no reason with what we know about smoking now to start or continue it- or for that matter -work mining asbestos.

    NY is protecting the downwind rest of us, and hopefully making smoking inconvenient enough so that they'll quit.
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    Re: New York Hates Smokers

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yeah... I HATE smoking, but I think this law is REALLY stupid.
    agreed

    my father died of smoking induced cancer of the nasopharanx region (actually a MRSA killed him but that was from the trach tube)-Cigars was his vice

    my mother died of an unholy combination of COPD, emphysema and pneumonia (that she refused to allow treatment for) from smoking a couple packs of L&Ms a day

    I get anywhere near the stuff and my sinuses lock up

    but I think diners or bars should have the right to allow smoking

    do what I did before they passed that crap in Ohio

    I didn't go into such places



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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I will never visit New York ever as they are now making it where you cannot even smoke outside in public without being fined They do not have to worry about a $50 fine for me as they will never see a dime of mine and a lot of other pro-smokers tourism dollars. You can take that to the bank
    Smokers are likely to be poor. They either are too lazy or to filled with guilt over their vice to stand up for themselves. Many of them don't even want to be labeled as smokers and are going to quit any day now. I doubt the "pro-smokers tourism dollars" are going to influence anyone.

    We tried some outreach to smokers in our local LP group back when I was active in that and these smoking bans got started. Virtually, no response whatsoever. They could have easily overwhelmed the anti-smokers if they wanted. Probably still could. They will not.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

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    Smokers are likely to be poor. They either are too lazy or to filled with guilt over their vice to stand up for themselves.


    Gross generalizaion much?

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    er. They could have easily overwhelmed the anti-smokers if they wanted. Probably still could. They will not.
    Maybe that little group, the anti-smokers, is perceived to them as too hostile and easily perturbed to risk being accused of being in favor of killing kids, or whatever hyperbolic crap anybody could come up with. Just a theory though.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    If we're going to ban people from smoking outside, there's no excuse for allowing tobacco to be legal at all. It's a farce.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    As a libertarian, I cannot support anti-smoking laws. Besides, this law is targeting outdoors, were smoke is quickly dissipated.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Smokers hate themselves.
    There's no reason with what we know about smoking now to start or continue it- or for that matter -work mining asbestos.

    NY is protecting the downwind rest of us, and hopefully making smoking inconvenient enough so that they'll quit.
    I happen to love myself very much.

    Do the people that gorge themselves on crap food daily hate themselves too? Be careful what kind of Big Brother Crapola you support as they (gov) will come for all groups sometime if we allow this kind of thing
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I happen to love myself very much.

    Do the people that gorge themselves on crap food daily hate themselves too? Be careful what kind of Big Brother Crapola you support as they (gov) will come for all groups sometime if we allow this kind of thing
    This is the rub. I love how it's socially acceptable to insult and bully smokers, even in public, but if you tell someone who's 300lbs and eating a Big Mac to slow down you're a jerk.

    This is just a stupid law. Assuming second-hand smoke studies aren't bias (which I don't since I think they might be - I have suspected this since I was 16 and was researching it for a report, long before I ever smoked, but we'll go with it), the effect of someone smoking outside is still a tiny, tiny fraction of the harm car exhaust causes. Utterly ridiculous and blatantly antagonistic. Social bullying at its worst.

    This is for all intents and purposes yet another prohibition. Because prohibition has such a great history. All it will serve to do is make people even more likely to smoke, and less likely to quit.

    Yeah, screw this. NYC is for yuppies now anyway. Not getting any of my money, either.

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