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New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

What are you smoking? Because you must be smoking something if you actually believe this statement...

I have never smoked and I absolutely abhor the smell of the garbage and certainly don't want it around my children...

Didn't you learn about exceptions to the rule in school? My point is that ex-smokers now make up a majority of non-smokers, myself included.
 
google search: 'medical waste jersey shore'..
happened as late as 2009.. Medical Waste Washes Up on Jersey Beaches | NBC New York



google Search:

Michigan:

Medical waste washes up on Michigan beaches : News : UpNorthLive.com

California:

CALIFORNIA IN BRIEF : SAN DIEGO : Medical Waste Tied to Defense Depot - Los Angeles Times


florida:

Articles about Medical Waste - Page 2 - Sun Sentinel


New York:

Medical waste found on Port Washington beach

Rhode Island, Massachussets:

MEDICAL WASTES FOUND ON NEW ENGLAND BEACHES - NYTimes.com

I can keep going. but the rarity that it happens leads to folks making assumptions that are not true. I have a house on LBI and I have never seen this "medical waste" on my beach.


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I can keep going. but the rarity that it happens leads to folks making assumptions that are not true. I have a house on LBI and I have never seen this "medical waste" on my beach.

so... youre showing me more stories of medical waste washing up on various beaches than i knew about and implying im making assumptions.. even when i showed you a fairly recent article as evidence?(which even mentioned LB)
im not following your line of reasoning, unless youre intent is to show me its more often than i had thought and its not only the beaches of jersey that are victims of industry..
of course.. you could be arguing just to argue..

back on topic..
again, i see NYC as having greater issues than smokers in wide open spaces.
 
As a libertarian, I cannot support anti-smoking laws. Besides, this law is targeting outdoors, were smoke is quickly dissipated.

That's b.s. I hate going to an outdoor show and having some jerkoff in front of me light up.

I like seeing smokers in those glass cages at the airport. It's like weird a hazy zoo for animals committing a slow suicide.

What if they allowed restaurants to apply for a smoking permit? Sell them like liquor permits. I bet the patrons at the smokey places die earlier than the others.
 
As a libertarian, I cannot support anti-smoking laws. Besides, this law is targeting outdoors, were smoke is quickly dissipated.

And BTW -- do libertarians support any type of public safety?
 
Then perhaps you should stop smoking... and as for "standing there", sometimes we HAVE to go through the poison clouds you weed addicts produce. Poison clouds around the entrances of buildings or on narrow walkways in urban areas. And if my family and I are parked on the beach and have been there for the morning and we are eating lunch, why should WE have to move so you and your cancer stick addict friends can pollute the air and likely leave your BUTTS on the sand for everyone to see... no way. You do not have the right to smoke anywhere you wish, you simply do not. It is NOT a Constitutional right to smoke in the presence of everyone else... and thank goodness for bans on smoking in hotels and cabs. I HATE the smell of a hotel room or a cab that someone has smoked in. Downright disgusting...

I once said I would be your biggest cheerleader in your effort to lose weight and get into shape, but you have to give up those ciggies and have a tough break-up with your love Nikki before you honestly can become more healthy and fit...


You did not answer my question and I am not giving up smoking anytime soon. I can eat right and work on my shape while smoking:) BTW, no need to preach at me about the evils of smoking each time this topic comes up. I get it: you hate smoking! Get this: I am a legal citizen and cigs are legal.


BTW, I think we have talked about this topic enough that you know I am not one of those smokers that leave their butts on the ground or anywhere else but in an ashtray and have even told you I have compact ashtray. I am a nice smoker and do my best to find a place where I do NOT bother others. I expect the same kind of respect in public outdoor space.
 
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You did not answer my question and I am not giving up smoking anytime soon. I can eat right and work on my shape while smoking:) BTW, no need to preach at me about the evils of smoking each time this topic comes up. I get it: you hate smoking! Get this: I am a legal citizen and cigs are legal.

The consumtion of legal products can be and is regulated. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you can use it whereever and whenever... And if you truly want to be fit and healthy, you DO have to break up with Nikki.


BTW, I think we have talked about this topic enough that you know I am not one of those smokers that leave their butts on the ground or anywhere else but in an ashtray and have even told you I have compact ashtray. I am a nice smoker and do my best to find a place where I do NOT bother others. I expect the same kind of respect in public outdoor space.

And that is great that you don't, but unfortunately, wherever I walk around, there are cigarette butts on the ground all over the side of the street. You do not have the automatic right to smoke in any outdoor space. In parks and beaches, where it is common for children and other non-smokers to congregate, the local government (and note I said local, not federal) government has the right to regulate such products to protect the rights of everyone in the community.
 
I am a nice smoker and do my best to find a place where I do NOT bother others. I expect the same kind of respect in public outdoor space.
What kind of respect? It's much easier for a smoker to tolerant a nonsmoker than it is for a nonsmoker to tolerant a smoker. Why? Because nonsmokers aren't doing anything. The only time they get in your face is when you are blowing ash into theirs.

Get this: I am a legal citizen and cigs are legal.
Well, now it's not legal everywhere. Get that! The entitlement mentality of smokers annoys me. Why should we have to segregate public areas to accommodate the choices of smokers? Why should tax dollars be spent on the efforts that are required to clean up after smokers? Why should such an unhealthy lifestyle choice be encouraged in such a way to begin with? We don't do that for anything else.

I think banning smoking altogether would be wholly within constitutional precedent. There is certainly no fundamental right to smoke in this country. Let's face it, the right to smoke in public areas is probably most akin to a right to blast a boom-box in a public space or to throw recycling in with the garbage. It's a completely selfish stance and should barely be a recognized right. But we respect the liberty of individuals to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. So if you want to smoke, do it at home. It's not nonsmokers fault people become addicted and feel the need to do it in public areas.
 
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And BTW -- do libertarians support any type of public safety?

Sure we do. Just not those at the expense of more important rights. Such as property.
 
And how is the right to property infringed upon by a ban on smoking in parks and on beaches???

This was a comment that was made from a more extensive debate. As I said earlier, there is at least better argument for banning smoking in parks and open places than there is in private establishments such as restaurants and bars. The "property" aspect was referring to mandated smoking bans in private businesses.
 
What kind of respect? It's much easier for a smoker to tolerant a nonsmoker than it is for a nonsmoker to tolerant a smoker. Why? Because nonsmokers aren't doing anything. The only time they get in your face is when you are blowing ash into theirs.

Well, now it's not legal everywhere. Get that! The entitlement mentality of smokers annoys me. Why should we have to segregate public areas to accommodate the choices of smokers? Why should tax dollars be spent on the efforts that are required to clean up after smokers? Why should such an unhealthy lifestyle choice be encouraged in such a way to begin with? We don't do that for anything else.

I think banning smoking altogether would be wholly within constitutional precedent. There is certainly no fundamental right to smoke in this country. Let's face it, the right to smoke in public areas is probably most akin to a right to blast a boom-box in a public space or to throw recycling in with the garbage. It's a completely selfish stance and should barely be a recognized right. But we respect the liberty of individuals to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. So if you want to smoke, do it at home. It's not nonsmokers fault people become addicted and feel the need to do it in public areas.

There is no right to drink in public either. Do you really wish to ban smoking and create a blackmarket for it? prohibition was not a good thing and you think it will work well banning smoking? I am telling you smokers will only take so much and a lot of us are about fed up. We do not have to sit down and just take this crap:(
 
BTW, maybe this should be a new thread but WHY are some cigars chaper than cigs? Also can you smoke cigars in these places or it is just cigs that are banned?

Honestly WHY are cigars so much more cheap? This does not seem fair to me:(

BTW, I am talking the cigars normal folks are smoking and not them rich people illegal high dollar Cigars
 
Smokers hate themselves.
There's no reason with what we know about smoking now to start or continue it- or for that matter -work mining asbestos.

NY is protecting the downwind rest of us, and hopefully making smoking inconvenient enough so that they'll quit.

The politicians have absolutely no intention of ever ending the addiction to tobacco. They make too much money off it.

And the weenies whining about second hand smoke should find a mass transit bus and suck it's tailpipe. The nonsense about "environmental" tobacco smoke is just BS to satisfy the control freaks who don't like the smell of a good see-gar.
 
The politicians have absolutely no intention of ever ending the addiction to tobacco. They make too much money off it.

And the weenies whining about second hand smoke should find a mass transit bus and suck it's tailpipe. The nonsense about "environmental" tobacco smoke is just BS to satisfy the control freaks who don't like the smell of a good see-gar.

You think a cigarette smells anything like a cigar? You have to be kidding me...

And the government has the right and responsibility to regulate tailpipe emissions, though more should be done in this regard.

Also, Mr. Mayor, at least buses and other automotive traffic serve a vital economic purpose. The same can't be said for cancer sticks.
 
There is no right to drink in public either. Do you really wish to ban smoking and create a blackmarket for it? prohibition was not a good thing and you think it will work well banning smoking? I am telling you smokers will only take so much and a lot of us are about fed up. We do not have to sit down and just take this crap:(

And non-smokers will only take so much from smokers. We don't like having to smell your cancer stick smoke every where we go. We don't want to be enjoying a day at the park or the beach and then have a smoker take up a space right next to use and ruin the rest of our time at said recreational location. I am sick and tired of walking down the street and have to walk through clouds of smoke and see cig butts all over the side of the road...

We don't have to sit down and take this crap from smokers...
 
so it's going to be enforced by the Parks Department people and the general public?

i wonder if the general public who feel it's their duty to apply public pressure to smokers will be 'selective' as to who they apply the pressure to? i'm sure they will be keen to go up to some mean assed looking dude and inform him of the ban :roll:


Smokers needn't worry about the city's new law banning smoking at beaches and parks - because Mayor Bloomberg said Friday the NYPD won't police it.

"The police will not be enforcing this. That's not going to be their job," Bloomberg told a caller to his WOR-AM radio show.

"This is going to be enforced by public pressure."

Bloomberg says police won't enforce new smoking ban for parks and beaches - New York Daily News
 
There is no right to drink in public either. Do you really wish to ban smoking and create a blackmarket for it? prohibition was not a good thing and you think it will work well banning smoking? I am telling you smokers will only take so much and a lot of us are about fed up. We do not have to sit down and just take this crap:(
No, I don't. But I am saying that we nonsmokers have no constitutional (or moral) duty to put up with the crap in public places either.
 
so it's going to be enforced by the Parks Department people and the general public?

i wonder if the general public who feel it's their duty to apply public pressure to smokers will be 'selective' as to who they apply the pressure to? i'm sure they will be keen to go up to some mean assed looking dude and inform him of the ban :roll:

Smokers needn't worry about the city's new law banning smoking at beaches and parks - because Mayor Bloomberg said Friday the NYPD won't police it.

"The police will not be enforcing this. That's not going to be their job," Bloomberg told a caller to his WOR-AM radio show.

"This is going to be enforced by public pressure."

Bloomberg says police won't enforce new smoking ban for parks and beaches - New York Daily News

Excellent. Here's another outdoor concert anecdote, if I may.

It was about 10 years ago in Garland, Texas. I was sitting in a lawn chair next to my wife, a non-smoker, btw. It was a family type event so people of all ages were there, but the younger people were all milling around (There were amusements and rides, lots of activity.) It was not packed shoulder-to-shoulder, but it was a pretty good crowd. I felt comfortable, being outdoors on a mild, breezy evening, lighting one up. I did.

I was about halfway finished with the cigarette when a lady appeared before me, muttering something and pointing off to my left. I managed to make out, over the noise, that she was saying, "She can't be around cigarette smoke," or some such. I looked to my left. Then looked further, until I saw a group of people looking at me. One of them was a woman of her mid-30s or so, sitting on a motorized chair (and she was, I might add, a tad heavy, and quite rosy-complected.) She was probably 20 steps away. My smoke could not possibly travel that far and would certainly pose no health risk to her even if it did. I was stunned. I replied to her brave friend, "You have got to be kidding me?" I put out my cigarette.

About ten minutes later, a group of teens, two or three guys and a couple of girls, appeared. They stood rudely in front of me and the others seated, completely obstructing our view of the stage. They were loud, boisterous and the guys were good sized, dressed . . . well, like rough teens.

I glanced over at the group that had just a few minutes before asked me to put out my cigarette. They were still there. They were still looking. They were completely silent.

As it turned out, the girls of the teen group, aware of how badly their boys were behaving, broke the disruptive behavior up themselves by announcing they were going to "get out of these people's way."

The guys were clearly acting tough in front of their girls, or for each other, but it was their blocking of the stage by standing in an area set aside for seating that was objectionable, not the cigarettes.
 
BTW, maybe this should be a new thread but WHY are some cigars chaper than cigs? Also can you smoke cigars in these places or it is just cigs that are banned?

Honestly WHY are cigars so much more cheap? This does not seem fair to me:(

BTW, I am talking the cigars normal folks are smoking and not them rich people illegal high dollar Cigars



The Good Reverend smokes Ashton virgin sun grown and Padron 1926 anniversario's. Ea h one costs about two packs of cigarettes.

Cigarettes btw were invented for ladies.
 
The Good Reverend smokes Ashton virgin sun grown and Padron 1926 anniversario's. Ea h one costs about two packs of cigarettes.

Cigarettes btw were invented for ladies.

But here in N.C. I can find a pack of cheap cigars for like $2. Cheapest pack of cigs are around $3.50. Why are cigars cheaper? They cannot be cheaper to make? I wish I could find a cig brand around $2 a pack. I used to smoke Marlboro 100's. Then when they went up I went to Basic Full Flavor 100's. Now I am smoking some cheapo brand called Fortuna 100's that I can get for an even $28 for a carton. The prices are gonna kill me at this point. lol. :2razz:

Maybe I should try to grow and roll my own:shock:
 
I was about halfway finished with the cigarette when a lady appeared before me, muttering something and pointing off to my left. I managed to make out, over the noise, that she was saying, "She can't be around cigarette smoke," or some such. I looked to my left. Then looked further, until I saw a group of people looking at me. One of them was a woman of her mid-30s or so, sitting on a motorized chair (and she was, I might add, a tad heavy, and quite rosy-complected.) She was probably 20 steps away. My smoke could not possibly travel that far and would certainly pose no health risk to her even if it did. I was stunned. I replied to her brave friend, "You have got to be kidding me?" I put out my cigarette.

As a smoker, you would perhaps be surprised how far away your smoke can be perceived by non-smokers. I can easily smell smoke from thirty-meters away and three stories up from the ground from someone smoking (illegally, I might add) in the courtyard to our building...
 
Or perhaps you should just quit??? :p

Even though I am on meds for my anxiety? I know if I quit it would involve a nervous breakdown. A very big one that would involve a long hospital stay to where I would maybe have to be restrained:(
 
Even though I am on meds for my anxiety? I know if I quit it would involve a nervous breakdown. A very big one that would involve a long hospital stay to where I would maybe have to be restrained:(

There are nicotine patches that can help you quit that nasty habit gradually and with limited side-effects... I have seen it work for many people...
 
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