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New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

Travelsonic said:
So, basically, you say smokers brought it upon themselves based on taking the act of a certain % of smokers, and making a blanket generalization about everybody who smokes? And somehow that %'s actions mean there can be no compromise, and the smokers should be forced to endure absurd taxation, ridicule to the point of slander in some cases, and all sort of other nasties?

I think people with that attitude brought it upon smokers if anything - often smokers want compromise to make it work - imperial evidence I have to support this is the reaction to the new smoking ban policy at the college I go to - where starting in the fall one can only smoke in his or her car, with the windows up. So far, a lot of the smokers, and *SOME* non-smoers [including myself] have been pushing for compromise, whereas a lot of the non-smokers are too stubborn to even look at compromise.
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Compromise? I have seen entertainment arenas put a small fenced area out to one side for smokers and that is fine.

I think smokers compromise is akin to when smoking was allowed on planes. There you had the smoking section and non-smoking section. That was successful as me peeing in my side of the pool away from your family.
 
mbig said:
Smokers hate themselves.
There's no reason with what we know about smoking now to start or continue it- or for that matter -work mining asbestos.

NY is protecting the downwind rest of us, and hopefully making smoking inconvenient enough so that they'll quit.
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What about the downwind rest of us who don't want to breathe the polluted air coming out of your Honda?

OH NOES! THE EVIL EXHAUST FUMES GAVE ME THE CANE-CER!
 
ludahai said:
The rest of us should not have to be subjected to the stupidity of such smokers.
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That argument, purely IMO, looks more and more absurd when you enter the realm of wide, outside public places.

ludahai said:
1. to discourage young people from taking up the habit
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Whatever happened to parenting? And proper education, which I admit now will not stop everybody from smoking like chimneys? Or "no taxation without representation" for that matter? :p

ludahai said:
I have no problem with smoker areas. However, many smokers don't care about that.
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So to hell with ALL smokes then? Some smokers are arrogant, and disregard rules, having no respect for others, so we should treat others that way?

ludahai said:
They think they have the right to light up whereever and whenever they want. You don't.
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Says who, you?

And you accuse smokers of being arrogant, no wonder people like us who don't smoke are looked at like pompous assholes.

While discretion absolutely needs to be taken as to whee one smokes, strictly IMO if somebody wants to smoke outside in public, in a wide open area, if businesses want to allow smoking, that should jolly well be their right if it isn't already - and you can "feel" however you want, but to imply your opinion has any factual merit to it is quite absurd. Where does the absurdity end, being like in Calabasas, California, for example, where you can't smoke in your own home if you live next to a park?


ludahai said:
If you think you have the right to light up in the presense of non-smokers, then the non-smokers will respond by telling you that you don't. If you want the "freedom" to be enslaved to an addictive poison, perhaps you should form your own ghettos so you don't subject the rest of us to your poison.
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I take it you are using the royal you, right? As in not targeting one person, but being generalized?


Ghettos? You realize how much of an asshole you *sound like* right now, right?


Crosscheck said:
I think smokers compromise is akin to when smoking was allowed on planes. There you had the smoking section and non-smoking section. That was successful as me peeing in my side of the pool away from your family.
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Nevermind the difference between a public street, sidewalk, or park, and a pressurized aluminum tube utilizing recirculated air, traveling between 300 and 500MPH a altitudes of 25 - 40,000FT. :roll:
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I want to ban fat people in tiny cloths, particularly at the beach.
They are a visual cancer. :ssst:
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Ohh,,, last time I was in the states... those 300lb men in speedos and 200lb women in bikinis.... talk about sight pollution... made be happy to get back to Taiwan
 
BTW, nobody answered me so again I ask: Tell me exactly where the hell is a visitor to NY suppose to smoke? You cannot do it outside in parks, in bars, hotels, etc? So where are the visitors suppose to legally smoke?? NY will lose a lot of money over this. Wait for it.

I am so sick of people treating us smokers like criminals! I am not wanting to hit the crack pipe down at the damn park: I want to smoke a cig which are legal:(

One day all us smokers gonna ban up and sue the hell out of our gov and all you snobby non-smokers are gonna have to use tax dollars to pay us!
 
roguenuke said:
And such a compromise is fine. I specifically listed a compromise that I preferred over this ban, which was smoking areas, which seem to work well for both the military and amusement parks. I got accused of trying to take away rights of smokers despite having the compromise in my first post. That irritates me because it makes me believe that, at least some smokers don't want to compromise but rather just complain about how they can't smoke whereever they want to.

Also, some don't want to recognize that there is good evidence that their smoking does affect others negatively. That is the good reason for limiting where they can smoke.

Banning it altogether is not a good way to deal with this but calling people names and not arguing based on what they are saying is not going to help the smokers' side.
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Luda starting the namecalling by saying non-smokers are superior!!

I do like your idea of smoking areas:)
 
Caine said:
What about the downwind rest of us who don't want to breathe the polluted air coming out of your Honda?

OH NOES! THE EVIL EXHAUST FUMES GAVE ME THE CANE-CER!
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No Kidding! New York needs to worry more about the dirt and smog and less about the smokers. Gosh:(
 
Travelsonic said:
That argument, purely IMO, looks more and more absurd when you enter the realm of wide, outside public places.
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Not all outdoor, public places are as wide open as you imagine.... especially in crowded urban areas.

Whatever happened to parenting? And proper education, which I admit now will not stop everybody from smoking like chimneys? Or "no taxation without representation" for that matter? :p
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They are also tools. But you should never discount the power of peer pressure. High prices will help mitigate against that. You, of course, ignored the other points I made about taxes, namely to offset the cost of smoking to society.

So to hell with ALL smokes then? Some smokers are arrogant, and disregard rules, having no respect for others, so we should treat others that way?
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A lot of smokers are, so the rights of non-smokers need to be protected. There is no legitimate need for you to smoke in areas where non-smokers and children congregate...

Says who, you?

And you accuse smokers of being arrogant, no wonder people like us who don't smoke are looked at like pompous assholes.
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Not only me. Non-smokers have the right to enjoy public spaces without being invaded by the smoke from those who inhale cancer sticks...

While discretion absolutely needs to be taken as to whee one smokes, strictly IMO if somebody wants to smoke outside in public, in a wide open area, if businesses want to allow smoking, that should jolly well be their right if it isn't already - and you can "feel" however you want, but to imply your opinion has any factual merit to it is quite absurd. Where does the absurdity end, being like in Calabasas, California, for example, where you can't smoke in your own home if you live next to a park?
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As far as I am concerned, if you want to smoke in your home or car, it is ok so long as you don't have a captive child in your park. Also, public parks and beaches should have restrictions to protect the rights of families who are enjoying the public facilities. I have no problem with smoking areas clearly marked off to the side.


I take it you are using the royal you, right? As in not targeting one person, but being generalized?
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A shortcoming of English being that the second person singular and plural are rendered the same. Were we using Chinese, French or many other languages, there would be no such ambiguity. And it is not the 'royal you', that would be the 'royal we'. Perhaps we need that in order to put smokers in their place...

Ghettos? You realize how much of an asshole you *sound like* right now, right?
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You don't realize how much of an asshole smokers are for lighting up in areas with non-smokers and children, right?

Nevermind the difference between a public street, sidewalk, or park, and a pressurized aluminum tube utilizing recirculated air, traveling between 300 and 500MPH a altitudes of 25 - 40,000FT. :roll:
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You don't remember the days in which smokers whined that their rights were being curtailed when smoking was banned in airplanes??? The majority of people have decided that we really don't want to have to deal with your disgusting, illness-provoking, dirty habit any more. You don't have a right to smoke anywhere you want and the people are telling you that you do NOT have the right to pollute the spaces that the rest of us want to use.

To re-coin a phrase from C3PO that I love.... "Smokers, disgusting creatures..."
 
Change the term 'non-smoker' to 'ex-smoker' and you'll get a better idea of why ex-smokers don't want to be around cigarette smoke. I have never heard a true non-smoker complain about second hand smoke.
 
Here is that tyrant idiot bloomberg again...

he want's new yorkers to enforce this law more than the police....

It's a brawl waiting to happen. :lamo
 
I don't see this law lasting long. From what I hear, people are already breaking the rules in droves, and I doubt the cops are going to give that much of a **** about it considering that there are typically far more important things going on. Regardless, I still love New York. One silly law isn't going to change that.
 
Kali said:
I will never visit New York ever as they are now making it where you cannot even smoke outside in public without being fined:(:roll:
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Doesn't seem to stop the dozens of people I pass by on the street every day smoking it up.

I went to Coney Island two days ago. For the first time in years the beach was not (completely) littered with cigarettes.
 
perhaps they should be worrying about more important things in NYC, like their medical waste etc washing up on the shores of jersey.
 
Even liberal NYers are starting to tire of the nannyism of bloomberg...what a twofaced selfserving dirtbag he is
 
Re: New York Hates Smokers

TurtleDude said:
agreed

my father died of smoking induced cancer of the nasopharanx region (actually a MRSA killed him but that was from the trach tube)-Cigars was his vice

my mother died of an unholy combination of COPD, emphysema and pneumonia (that she refused to allow treatment for) from smoking a couple packs of L&Ms a day

I get anywhere near the stuff and my sinuses lock up

but I think diners or bars should have the right to allow smoking

do what I did before they passed that crap in Ohio

I didn't go into such places
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I think this is exactly right. To be honest, I think there is better argument for banning smoking outside in public than there is on private property such as a private business. But you nailed the real solution. You didn't go into such places. Consumer demand, places will respond. Before our commie smoking ban which trampled property rights even further into the ground, we had non-smoking and smoking bars and most of the restaurants had gone non-smoking by their own free will.

****ing social engineers here trying to get everyone to think and act alike. I like choice, even bad choices. In choice there is freedom.
 
I support the smoking ban. I'm an asthmatic and when people are smoking around me I have asthmatic reactions. It's not healthy for others or for the user. The can smoke in the privacy of their own home, but not in public where others may be affected.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Change the term 'non-smoker' to 'ex-smoker' and you'll get a better idea of why ex-smokers don't want to be around cigarette smoke. I have never heard a true non-smoker complain about second hand smoke.
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What are you smoking? Because you must be smoking something if you actually believe this statement...

I have never smoked and I absolutely abhor the smell of the garbage and certainly don't want it around my children...
 
digsbe said:
I support the smoking ban. I'm an asthmatic and when people are smoking around me I have asthmatic reactions. It's not healthy for others or for the user. The can smoke in the privacy of their own home, but not in public where others may be affected.
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Again where the hell are out of towners suppose to legally smoke? We cannot do it in hotels, eating places, bars, etc. and now cannot smoke in the parks? Honestly I would not visit NY as I would be scared to ignore the laws of lighting up and be fined. I think if they first catch ypou it is like $50. If you keep smoking it goes up to like $250? For smoking in public? Give me a damn break and invest in some damn smoking areas NY! :(


BTW, if we are in public you can walk away from smokers. You do not have to stand there. You think I like the way a lot of folks crappy cheap perfume smells? No. But I deal and go on about my biz and life:roll:
 
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Kali said:
Again where the hell are out of towners suppose to legally smoke? We cannot do it in hotels, eating places, bars, etc. and now cannot smoke in the parks? Honestly I would not visit NY as I would be scared to ignore the laws of lighting up and be fined. I think if they first catch ypou it is like $50. If you keep smoking it goes up to like $250? For smoking in public? Give me a damn break and invest in some damn smoking areas NY! :(


BTW, if we are in public you can walk away from smokers. You do not have to stand there. You think I like the way a lot of folks crappy cheap perfume smells? No. But I deal and go on about my biz and life:roll:
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Then perhaps you should stop smoking... and as for "standing there", sometimes we HAVE to go through the poison clouds you weed addicts produce. Poison clouds around the entrances of buildings or on narrow walkways in urban areas. And if my family and I are parked on the beach and have been there for the morning and we are eating lunch, why should WE have to move so you and your cancer stick addict friends can pollute the air and likely leave your BUTTS on the sand for everyone to see... no way. You do not have the right to smoke anywhere you wish, you simply do not. It is NOT a Constitutional right to smoke in the presence of everyone else... and thank goodness for bans on smoking in hotels and cabs. I HATE the smell of a hotel room or a cab that someone has smoked in. Downright disgusting...

I once said I would be your biggest cheerleader in your effort to lose weight and get into shape, but you have to give up those ciggies and have a tough break-up with your love Nikki before you honestly can become more healthy and fit...
 
ludahai said:
Then perhaps you should stop smoking... and as for "standing there", sometimes we HAVE to go through the poison clouds you weed addicts produce. Poison clouds around the entrances of buildings or on narrow walkways in urban areas. And if my family and I are parked on the beach and have been there for the morning and we are eating lunch, why should WE have to move so you and your cancer stick addict friends can pollute the air and likely leave your BUTTS on the sand for everyone to see... no way. You do not have the right to smoke anywhere you wish, you simply do not. It is NOT a Constitutional right to smoke in the presence of everyone else... and thank goodness for bans on smoking in hotels and cabs. I HATE the smell of a hotel room or a cab that someone has smoked in. Downright disgusting...

I once said I would be your biggest cheerleader in your effort to lose weight and get into shape, but you have to give up those ciggies and have a tough break-up with your love Nikki before you honestly can become more healthy and fit...
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I don't see anywhere that smoking is prohibited in the constitution.

Like I am frequently told, the constitution doesn't give US rights, it limits the GOVERNMENT'S rights and powers.
 
Caine said:
I don't see anywhere that smoking is prohibited in the constitution.

Like I am frequently told, the constitution doesn't give US rights, it limits the GOVERNMENT'S rights and powers.
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But there is nothing to guarantee it either, and the government most certainly DOES have the right to restrict the use of any product, as it so often does...
 
Krhazy said:
Doesn't seem to stop the dozens of people I pass by on the street every day smoking it up.



I went to Coney Island two days ago. For the first time in years the beach was not (completely) littered with cigarettes.
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:lol: That's because it was still may. Do you really think those russians in coney island are going to stop smoling on the beach?
 
WhyteRash said:
perhaps they should be worrying about more important things in NYC, like their medical waste etc washing up on the shores of jersey.
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That hasn't happened since the early 80's. NJ beaches are of the cleanest and finest in this country.
 
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