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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Then perhaps you should stop smoking... and as for "standing there", sometimes we HAVE to go through the poison clouds you weed addicts produce. Poison clouds around the entrances of buildings or on narrow walkways in urban areas. And if my family and I are parked on the beach and have been there for the morning and we are eating lunch, why should WE have to move so you and your cancer stick addict friends can pollute the air and likely leave your BUTTS on the sand for everyone to see... no way. You do not have the right to smoke anywhere you wish, you simply do not. It is NOT a Constitutional right to smoke in the presence of everyone else... and thank goodness for bans on smoking in hotels and cabs. I HATE the smell of a hotel room or a cab that someone has smoked in. Downright disgusting...

    I once said I would be your biggest cheerleader in your effort to lose weight and get into shape, but you have to give up those ciggies and have a tough break-up with your love Nikki before you honestly can become more healthy and fit...

    You did not answer my question and I am not giving up smoking anytime soon. I can eat right and work on my shape while smoking BTW, no need to preach at me about the evils of smoking each time this topic comes up. I get it: you hate smoking! Get this: I am a legal citizen and cigs are legal.


    BTW, I think we have talked about this topic enough that you know I am not one of those smokers that leave their butts on the ground or anywhere else but in an ashtray and have even told you I have compact ashtray. I am a nice smoker and do my best to find a place where I do NOT bother others. I expect the same kind of respect in public outdoor space.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You did not answer my question and I am not giving up smoking anytime soon. I can eat right and work on my shape while smoking BTW, no need to preach at me about the evils of smoking each time this topic comes up. I get it: you hate smoking! Get this: I am a legal citizen and cigs are legal.
    The consumtion of legal products can be and is regulated. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you can use it whereever and whenever... And if you truly want to be fit and healthy, you DO have to break up with Nikki.


    BTW, I think we have talked about this topic enough that you know I am not one of those smokers that leave their butts on the ground or anywhere else but in an ashtray and have even told you I have compact ashtray. I am a nice smoker and do my best to find a place where I do NOT bother others. I expect the same kind of respect in public outdoor space.
    And that is great that you don't, but unfortunately, wherever I walk around, there are cigarette butts on the ground all over the side of the street. You do not have the automatic right to smoke in any outdoor space. In parks and beaches, where it is common for children and other non-smokers to congregate, the local government (and note I said local, not federal) government has the right to regulate such products to protect the rights of everyone in the community.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am a nice smoker and do my best to find a place where I do NOT bother others. I expect the same kind of respect in public outdoor space.
    What kind of respect? It's much easier for a smoker to tolerant a nonsmoker than it is for a nonsmoker to tolerant a smoker. Why? Because nonsmokers aren't doing anything. The only time they get in your face is when you are blowing ash into theirs.

    Get this: I am a legal citizen and cigs are legal.
    Well, now it's not legal everywhere. Get that! The entitlement mentality of smokers annoys me. Why should we have to segregate public areas to accommodate the choices of smokers? Why should tax dollars be spent on the efforts that are required to clean up after smokers? Why should such an unhealthy lifestyle choice be encouraged in such a way to begin with? We don't do that for anything else.

    I think banning smoking altogether would be wholly within constitutional precedent. There is certainly no fundamental right to smoke in this country. Let's face it, the right to smoke in public areas is probably most akin to a right to blast a boom-box in a public space or to throw recycling in with the garbage. It's a completely selfish stance and should barely be a recognized right. But we respect the liberty of individuals to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. So if you want to smoke, do it at home. It's not nonsmokers fault people become addicted and feel the need to do it in public areas.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure we do. Just not those at the expense of more important rights. Such as property.
    And how is the right to property infringed upon by a ban on smoking in parks and on beaches???
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And how is the right to property infringed upon by a ban on smoking in parks and on beaches???
    This was a comment that was made from a more extensive debate. As I said earlier, there is at least better argument for banning smoking in parks and open places than there is in private establishments such as restaurants and bars. The "property" aspect was referring to mandated smoking bans in private businesses.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What kind of respect? It's much easier for a smoker to tolerant a nonsmoker than it is for a nonsmoker to tolerant a smoker. Why? Because nonsmokers aren't doing anything. The only time they get in your face is when you are blowing ash into theirs.

    Well, now it's not legal everywhere. Get that! The entitlement mentality of smokers annoys me. Why should we have to segregate public areas to accommodate the choices of smokers? Why should tax dollars be spent on the efforts that are required to clean up after smokers? Why should such an unhealthy lifestyle choice be encouraged in such a way to begin with? We don't do that for anything else.

    I think banning smoking altogether would be wholly within constitutional precedent. There is certainly no fundamental right to smoke in this country. Let's face it, the right to smoke in public areas is probably most akin to a right to blast a boom-box in a public space or to throw recycling in with the garbage. It's a completely selfish stance and should barely be a recognized right. But we respect the liberty of individuals to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. So if you want to smoke, do it at home. It's not nonsmokers fault people become addicted and feel the need to do it in public areas.
    There is no right to drink in public either. Do you really wish to ban smoking and create a blackmarket for it? prohibition was not a good thing and you think it will work well banning smoking? I am telling you smokers will only take so much and a lot of us are about fed up. We do not have to sit down and just take this crap
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    BTW, maybe this should be a new thread but WHY are some cigars chaper than cigs? Also can you smoke cigars in these places or it is just cigs that are banned?

    Honestly WHY are cigars so much more cheap? This does not seem fair to me

    BTW, I am talking the cigars normal folks are smoking and not them rich people illegal high dollar Cigars
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Smokers hate themselves.
    There's no reason with what we know about smoking now to start or continue it- or for that matter -work mining asbestos.

    NY is protecting the downwind rest of us, and hopefully making smoking inconvenient enough so that they'll quit.
    The politicians have absolutely no intention of ever ending the addiction to tobacco. They make too much money off it.

    And the weenies whining about second hand smoke should find a mass transit bus and suck it's tailpipe. The nonsense about "environmental" tobacco smoke is just BS to satisfy the control freaks who don't like the smell of a good see-gar.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The politicians have absolutely no intention of ever ending the addiction to tobacco. They make too much money off it.

    And the weenies whining about second hand smoke should find a mass transit bus and suck it's tailpipe. The nonsense about "environmental" tobacco smoke is just BS to satisfy the control freaks who don't like the smell of a good see-gar.
    You think a cigarette smells anything like a cigar? You have to be kidding me...

    And the government has the right and responsibility to regulate tailpipe emissions, though more should be done in this regard.

    Also, Mr. Mayor, at least buses and other automotive traffic serve a vital economic purpose. The same can't be said for cancer sticks.
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