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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    So, basically, you say smokers brought it upon themselves based on taking the act of a certain % of smokers, and making a blanket generalization about everybody who smokes? And somehow that %'s actions mean there can be no compromise, and the smokers should be forced to endure absurd taxation, ridicule to the point of slander in some cases, and all sort of other nasties?

    I think people with that attitude brought it upon smokers if anything - often smokers want compromise to make it work - imperial evidence I have to support this is the reaction to the new smoking ban policy at the college I go to - where starting in the fall one can only smoke in his or her car, with the windows up. So far, a lot of the smokers, and *SOME* non-smoers [including myself] have been pushing for compromise, whereas a lot of the non-smokers are too stubborn to even look at compromise.
    Compromise? I have seen entertainment arenas put a small fenced area out to one side for smokers and that is fine.

    I think smokers compromise is akin to when smoking was allowed on planes. There you had the smoking section and non-smoking section. That was successful as me peeing in my side of the pool away from your family.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Smokers hate themselves.
    There's no reason with what we know about smoking now to start or continue it- or for that matter -work mining asbestos.

    NY is protecting the downwind rest of us, and hopefully making smoking inconvenient enough so that they'll quit.
    What about the downwind rest of us who don't want to breathe the polluted air coming out of your Honda?

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    I want to ban fat people in tiny cloths, particularly at the beach.
    They are a visual cancer.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The rest of us should not have to be subjected to the stupidity of such smokers.
    That argument, purely IMO, looks more and more absurd when you enter the realm of wide, outside public places.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. to discourage young people from taking up the habit
    Whatever happened to parenting? And proper education, which I admit now will not stop everybody from smoking like chimneys? Or "no taxation without representation" for that matter? :P

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I have no problem with smoker areas. However, many smokers don't care about that.
    So to hell with ALL smokes then? Some smokers are arrogant, and disregard rules, having no respect for others, so we should treat others that way?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They think they have the right to light up whereever and whenever they want. You don't.
    Says who, you?

    And you accuse smokers of being arrogant, no wonder people like us who don't smoke are looked at like pompous assholes.

    While discretion absolutely needs to be taken as to whee one smokes, strictly IMO if somebody wants to smoke outside in public, in a wide open area, if businesses want to allow smoking, that should jolly well be their right if it isn't already - and you can "feel" however you want, but to imply your opinion has any factual merit to it is quite absurd. Where does the absurdity end, being like in Calabasas, California, for example, where you can't smoke in your own home if you live next to a park?


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If you think you have the right to light up in the presense of non-smokers, then the non-smokers will respond by telling you that you don't. If you want the "freedom" to be enslaved to an addictive poison, perhaps you should form your own ghettos so you don't subject the rest of us to your poison.
    I take it you are using the royal you, right? As in not targeting one person, but being generalized?


    Ghettos? You realize how much of an asshole you *sound like* right now, right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I think smokers compromise is akin to when smoking was allowed on planes. There you had the smoking section and non-smoking section. That was successful as me peeing in my side of the pool away from your family.
    Nevermind the difference between a public street, sidewalk, or park, and a pressurized aluminum tube utilizing recirculated air, traveling between 300 and 500MPH a altitudes of 25 - 40,000FT.
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I want to ban fat people in tiny cloths, particularly at the beach.
    They are a visual cancer.
    Ohh,,, last time I was in the states... those 300lb men in speedos and 200lb women in bikinis.... talk about sight pollution... made be happy to get back to Taiwan
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    BTW, nobody answered me so again I ask: Tell me exactly where the hell is a visitor to NY suppose to smoke? You cannot do it outside in parks, in bars, hotels, etc? So where are the visitors suppose to legally smoke?? NY will lose a lot of money over this. Wait for it.

    I am so sick of people treating us smokers like criminals! I am not wanting to hit the crack pipe down at the damn park: I want to smoke a cig which are legal

    One day all us smokers gonna ban up and sue the hell out of our gov and all you snobby non-smokers are gonna have to use tax dollars to pay us!
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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And such a compromise is fine. I specifically listed a compromise that I preferred over this ban, which was smoking areas, which seem to work well for both the military and amusement parks. I got accused of trying to take away rights of smokers despite having the compromise in my first post. That irritates me because it makes me believe that, at least some smokers don't want to compromise but rather just complain about how they can't smoke whereever they want to.

    Also, some don't want to recognize that there is good evidence that their smoking does affect others negatively. That is the good reason for limiting where they can smoke.

    Banning it altogether is not a good way to deal with this but calling people names and not arguing based on what they are saying is not going to help the smokers' side.
    Luda starting the namecalling by saying non-smokers are superior!!

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What about the downwind rest of us who don't want to breathe the polluted air coming out of your Honda?

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    That argument, purely IMO, looks more and more absurd when you enter the realm of wide, outside public places.
    Not all outdoor, public places are as wide open as you imagine.... especially in crowded urban areas.

    Whatever happened to parenting? And proper education, which I admit now will not stop everybody from smoking like chimneys? Or "no taxation without representation" for that matter? :P
    They are also tools. But you should never discount the power of peer pressure. High prices will help mitigate against that. You, of course, ignored the other points I made about taxes, namely to offset the cost of smoking to society.

    So to hell with ALL smokes then? Some smokers are arrogant, and disregard rules, having no respect for others, so we should treat others that way?
    A lot of smokers are, so the rights of non-smokers need to be protected. There is no legitimate need for you to smoke in areas where non-smokers and children congregate...

    Says who, you?

    And you accuse smokers of being arrogant, no wonder people like us who don't smoke are looked at like pompous assholes.
    Not only me. Non-smokers have the right to enjoy public spaces without being invaded by the smoke from those who inhale cancer sticks...

    While discretion absolutely needs to be taken as to whee one smokes, strictly IMO if somebody wants to smoke outside in public, in a wide open area, if businesses want to allow smoking, that should jolly well be their right if it isn't already - and you can "feel" however you want, but to imply your opinion has any factual merit to it is quite absurd. Where does the absurdity end, being like in Calabasas, California, for example, where you can't smoke in your own home if you live next to a park?
    As far as I am concerned, if you want to smoke in your home or car, it is ok so long as you don't have a captive child in your park. Also, public parks and beaches should have restrictions to protect the rights of families who are enjoying the public facilities. I have no problem with smoking areas clearly marked off to the side.


    I take it you are using the royal you, right? As in not targeting one person, but being generalized?
    A shortcoming of English being that the second person singular and plural are rendered the same. Were we using Chinese, French or many other languages, there would be no such ambiguity. And it is not the 'royal you', that would be the 'royal we'. Perhaps we need that in order to put smokers in their place...

    Ghettos? You realize how much of an asshole you *sound like* right now, right?
    You don't realize how much of an asshole smokers are for lighting up in areas with non-smokers and children, right?

    Nevermind the difference between a public street, sidewalk, or park, and a pressurized aluminum tube utilizing recirculated air, traveling between 300 and 500MPH a altitudes of 25 - 40,000FT.
    You don't remember the days in which smokers whined that their rights were being curtailed when smoking was banned in airplanes??? The majority of people have decided that we really don't want to have to deal with your disgusting, illness-provoking, dirty habit any more. You don't have a right to smoke anywhere you want and the people are telling you that you do NOT have the right to pollute the spaces that the rest of us want to use.

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    Re: New Yorkers Have Mixed Feelings About Ban on Smoking in Parks(edited)

    Change the term 'non-smoker' to 'ex-smoker' and you'll get a better idea of why ex-smokers don't want to be around cigarette smoke. I have never heard a true non-smoker complain about second hand smoke.
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